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Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Thomas Beatie Is the First Pregnant Man (Picture)

pregnant man THOMAS BEATIE picture

Meet Thomas Beatie, the first man on the planet who got pregnant!

Thomas Beatie, from Oregon, used to be a woman but later become a transgender male and legally changed his sex to male. Thomas had his breasts surgically removed and started bimonthly testosterone injections, but kept his vagina.

After he legally married Nancy Beatie, the couple wanted a biological baby. But as Nancy Beatie can't carry a child due to endometriosis, Thomas Beatie was decided to carry their child. So now Thomas Beatie is really pregnant after two home insemination attempts using anonymous donor's sperm purchased from a cryogenic sperm bank and he is due to the labor on July 3.

Update: Thomas Beatie is to show an ultrasound scan on The Oprah Winfrey Show April. Click here for the show's promo video.

Read the full story by Thomas Beatie himself published on the April 8 issue of The Advocate Magazine:

Labor of Love

Is society ready for this pregnant husband?

By Thomas Beatie

To our neighbors, my wife, Nancy, and I don’t appear in the least unusual. To those in the quiet Oregon community where we live, we are viewed just as we are -- a happy couple deeply in love. Our desire to work hard, buy our first home, and start a family was nothing out of the ordinary. That is, until we decided that I would carry our child.

I am transgender, legally male, and legally married to Nancy. Unlike those in same-sex marriages, domestic partnerships, or civil unions, Nancy and I are afforded the more than 1,100 federal rights of marriage. Sterilization is not a requirement for sex reassignment, so I decided to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy but kept my reproductive rights. Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire, but a human desire.

Ten years ago, when Nancy and I became a couple, the idea of us having a child was more dream than plan. I always wanted to have children. However, due to severe endometriosis 20 years ago, Nancy had to undergo a hysterectomy and is unable to carry a child. But after the success of our custom screen-printing business and a move from Hawaii to the Pacific Northwest two years ago, the timing finally seemed right. I stopped taking my bimonthly testosterone injections. It had been roughly eight years since I had my last menstrual cycle, so this wasn’t a decision that I took lightly. My body regulated itself after about four months, and I didn’t have to take any exogenous estrogen, progesterone, or fertility drugs to aid my pregnancy.

Our situation sparks legal, political, and social unknowns. We have only begun experiencing opposition from people who are upset by our situation. Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs. Health care professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognize Nancy as my wife. Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy’s family doesn’t even know I’m transgender.

This whole process, from trying to get pregnant to being pregnant, has been a challenge for us. The first doctor we approached was a reproductive endocrinologist. He was shocked by our situation and told me to shave my facial hair. After a $300 consultation, he reluctantly performed my initial checkups. He then required us to see the clinic’s psychologist to see if we were fit to bring a child into this world and consulted with the ethics board of his hospital. A few months and a couple thousand dollars later, he told us that he would no longer treat us, saying he and his staff felt uncomfortable working with “someone like me.”

In total, nine different doctors have been involved. This is why it took over one year to get access to a cryogenic sperm bank to purchase anonymous donor vials, and why Nancy and I eventually resorted to home insemination.

When I finally got pregnant for the first time, I ended up having an ectopic pregnancy with triplets. It was a life-threatening event that required surgical intervention, resulting in the loss of all embryos and my right fallopian tube. When my brother found out about my loss, he said, “It’s a good thing that happened. Who knows what kind of monster it would have been.”

On successfully getting pregnant a second time, we are proud to announce that this pregnancy is free of complications and our baby girl has a clean bill of health. We are happily awaiting her birth, with an estimated due date of July 3, 2008.

How does it feel to be a pregnant man? Incredible. Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am. In a technical sense I see myself as my own surrogate, though my gender identity as male is constant. To Nancy, I am her husband carrying our child—I am so lucky to have such a loving, supportive wife. I will be my daughter’s father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family.

Outside the local medical community, people don’t know I’m five months’ pregnant. But our situation ultimately will ask everyone to embrace the gamut of human possibility and to define for themselves what is normal.

via National Post


Update: Thomas Beatie has given birth to a baby girl named Susan Juliette Beatie in St. Charles Medical Center, Bend, Oregon.

First Pictures of Susan Juliette, Pregnant Man Thomas Beatie daughter
First pictures of pregnant man Thomas Beatie daughter Susan Juliette


Update/November 13, 2008: Pregnant Man Thomas Beatie Is A Pregnant Man Again: he is pregnant three months with a second child.


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Clara Flint Boil said...

The Washington Post is reporting that it may be a hoax.

GeologyJoe said...

This is cool and all but, if you have a uterus you are a woman.

Anonymous said...

Not a male by any means, so why the hell does he get media attention? He is what makes this country look weak. And if the baby comes out deformed, the sick b....d should go to jail. Something tells me being injected testosterone before become pregnant is a bad idea.

Anonymous said...

This is absolutely the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. This person really is pregnant and I read the article in People magazine. There is nothing cool about this. The gay community is highly accepted by me but this takes it too far. This person is sick and so is "her/his" partner. What else will they come up with next?!

Anonymous said...

People who call this poor, sick, woman, a "man" are mentally ill themselves. This woman is no more a man, than an elephant can call itself a mouse by cutting off its trunk and growing whiskers.

This poor woman has mutilated herself, and began taking unnatural amounts of hormones to try and fool herself and others into thinking she is a man.

She deserves pitty if anything.

Anonymous said...

He should go to jail for injecting testosterone because it could harm the baby? What about women who drink or do drugs while pregnant? Hell, what about the food we eat on a daily basis being accredited to the rise in infant deformities and complications?


The comments posted here thusfar are the worst representation (and simultaneously the best, for representing so well) of what the world has become and the evolved morals we have developed. What is wrong with you people? When do you decide how someone else leads his or her life?
Have you personally been in a body you felt wasn't yours? Genetically, hormonally, and chemically, it is possible for a human being to be born as a gender they were not initially meant to be. We see this every day in the form of hermaphrodites, and you still say that we are all born either male or female with no room for debate?
He is healthy, the baby is thusfar healthy. Testosterone would not stay in the system for that long to affect the child, so that argument is moot.
You can't help who you love or feeling uncomfortable in your own skin.
Personally, I don't completely agree with resorting to medical means to have your gender changed because it's up there with plastic surgery for aesthetic reasons: it goes against how you were naturally meant to be when you were born, but I in no way condemn those who go through with it. All the more power to them for their bravery and conviction in a world that will surely do everything in its power to make them feel as horrible as possible.
How dare you people knowingly inflict physical and severe mental pain on someone simply because you don't agree with their line of thinking? Who do you think you are? How can you call yourself a good person and still do that or conversely call yourself a bad person, agreeing and even boasting, and not want to change that?
Your closemindedness is nauseating and a sick reminder of why there is so much violence and animosity in this world.

I hope it was not the blog author's intention to invoke this sort of response, as I see that moderation has been enabled and only negative comments have been allowed. If so, you should be ashamed.

Anonymous said...

The people on this blog disgust me I don't give a sh*t what your religious beliefs are this is a man! He and his wife have every damn right to have a baby as the next couple do; you should be touched by this story, a man who loves his wife so much he's willing to do all this! The only sane person on this forum is the person above me!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Anonymous said...

This is a great story. I am completely happy for that couple. I can't believe some of you would be so sick and just completely insult this. Men change into women, girls get fake tans, women have abortions, some people become sterile. So what is so shocking about a woman becoming a man, and because his loving wife cannot have a child, he chooses to carry it? There is nothing shocking. You are all ignorant to insult this.

Uh Oh! Uncomfortable. said...

I can't imagine the painful words and things that have been said to this couple. I admire their courage and wish them all the best. I am so happy that there is still people who are so in love with their mate they are willing to do anything to make them happy. I think that this child will grow up an awesome amount of support and love in her home environment and be more open minded because of the way she is raised. I hope that the media doesn't interfer and make her life hell.

Kenneth Zachary said...

I agree with the above commenter. Transmen are a minority that should be respected as we respect any other. This IS a man. HE has a uterus, and so what? If you really think it's your genitals that make you who you are, then you are living very pathetic lives indeed. This man should not be pitied at all. What he is doing is courageous. He loves his wife enough to carry her child to term so that together they can raise a family. Take a moment, remove your head from your drastically conservative colon and look around you, the world is much bigger than it seems from the dank recesses of your self-loving rectum.
Secondly, to the person who expressed fears that the testosterone injections would hurt the baby, let me explain this to you. This man is not taking his injections while he is pregnant. He had to stop his injections to be able to ovulate in the first place. If he were to take his injections currently, the fetus would spontaneously abort. Secondly, the testosterone injections that he took prior to becoming pregnant will have no ill effects on the baby for several reasons, not the least of which is WOMEN HAVE TESTOSTERONE TOO, just in smaller doses. Testosterone in the parent's body will do nothing to the baby, in fact, it won't ever even REACH the baby. Testosterone is an inter muscular injection and therefor never enters the bloodstream. I appreciate the fact that you have an opinion and feel the need to share it, but next time, research a little before you get up on your soapbox.

Anonymous said...

I really don't know what to say about all of this.. Is it weird, yes very.. But the thing is, if doctors have checked "him/her" out, then they should be fine..Do I think it's right? To me no..But who am I to judge? Who are any of us to judge.. That's Gods job.. So to the Man and Women- I hope and pray everything goes well. And the baby comes out heathy. And if I were to give you guys advise, it would be to pray.

Anonymous said...

For all the people that are saying this really is a man. What the hell? If he was really a man then he should stick to being a man, because heres the crazy thing....men don't have babies. This thing is a twisted lesbian freak that shouldn't be reproducing at all.

Anonymous said...

You know whats wrong with you people is ...ignorance.You have nerve to talk about what is going on in this situation but probably have some "not so proud of" issues at home . A bunch of hypocrites. Isnt there alot more serious issues such as why is you husband or wives cheating on you or molesting your kids or have subtance abuse problems coming home beating yr a** in front of your kids......this is an example why everyone has so many issues because you caught up in everybody elses business. Bottomline , you do not have the right to judge this couple or anyone else.God speaks forgiving our sins ifwe repent and he also speaks about "love thy neighbor"There is no exception list who to love and who not to ....JUST DO IT!

alex said...

Whats the big deal, people? How does it affect you all if they have a kid? But, technically if you have a vagina, you are a woman. and to kenneth, who posted above, look up the definition for male or female. sex organs are a big part of what defines your gender. uterus=female.

Kenneth Zachary said...

To alex: look up the definition of transgendered, Harry Benjamin Syndrome and Transsexuality.

Anonymous said...

To the person who said your genitals do not not determine your gender...WHAT DOES THEN? Read a science book fool...A MAN HAS A PENIS AND A WOMAN HAS A VAGINA. WOMAN HAVE BABIES NOT MEN. LOOK AT ANIMALS FOR PROOF!!! IDIOT LIBERALS!!!

Kenneth Zachary said...

To the person who just decided to flaunt his ignorance, YOU read a science book, fool! Scientifically, the definition of "Sex" is based on your genitals and the definition of "gender" is based on your personal psychological identity. Before you go shooting your mouth off, do your OWN homework.

Sex: Biological maleness or femaleness.
Gender: The psychological and sociocultural characteristics associated with our sex.
(Baur, K. and Crooks, R.(2007). Our Sexuality(10). Belmont, CA: Thomson Learning, Inc.)

Kenneth Zachary said...

p.s. The male seahorse is one of many male animals that actually carry the unborn fetus to term. How's your theory doing?

Cassie said...

I don't know about the other ladies here, but I'd be thrilled if my husband were able to carry/give birth to our baby.

I have a lot of respect for this family, it'll be hard with the staggering amount of closed-minded & ignorant people out there. Like someone else said above, I hope the media stays out of the poor little girls' life once she's born.

Anonymous said...

You're all ignorant.
May each and everyone of you who argues if this is "scientifically right" shall burn in hell, you filthy demons.
This is against the laws of nature.
Men do not have babies, if you disagree, hopefully one day God will open your eyes as he turns away from you.
You filthy pieces of shit.
THat thing that says it's a woman and it's partner shall suffer eternity in hell also.
I hope you enjoy it then, when you are being burned for eternity.:)

Emma said...

What Is So Wrong About This?? Hes Not Affecting Any Of You So Whats All The Fuss About. I Think Most Women Would Be Over-Joyed About Men Carrying Babies For Them. If This Couple Want A Child And They Can Provide Love And A Stable Place For It To Live Whats So Wrong With That??

Don't Be So Closed Minded.

Anonymous said...

To whoever said that testosterone injections are INTRAmuscular so they never reach the bloodstream is a fool. Yes testosterone injections are given intramuscularly, but how the hell do you think it exerts its effects. Testosterone is a hormone, hormones travel through the bloodstream to various tissues where they will exert their effects. Testosterone will be absorbed from the injection site into the blood.

However, you were correct on one aspect, this person would need to quit the injections to become pregnant, and there should be no ill affects the fetus. So why don't you do some research on all your "facts" before you criticize others.

Kenneth Zachary said...

No shit, sherlock. I meant the testosterone wouldn't reach the blood stream of the developing fetus. Thought that was evident.

Kenneth Zachary said...

p.s. I researched my facts, sorry my English isn't 100%.

Anonymous said...

I think that any person that is not touched by this history and the love that this man has for his wife and his unborn child does not deserve to be happy, because thinking that this couple just because they are not "normal" are not alowed to be happy and have a family is just wrong, i mean come on people who the hell said what is normal and what is not, and who said how every person should live his/her life, i think that with the tecnology and knowledge that we have now people should be more open minded and also let people live their life the way the wnat to without having to judge or discriminate, cuz how can people discriminate people that gives love proofs to society but they do not discriminate people that gives shit to society like religious people that commits the worst crimes on earth and no one says anythig just because they are respected religious people, this is just stupid, people LEARN HOW TO RESPECT THE WAY OTHER PEOPLE CHOOSES TO LIVE THEIR LIVES becuse everybody is there to critisize but when help and love is needed then no one apears. This couple are not hurting any one and they are not asking for nothing more than acceptation, compassion and undestanding, so i think they deserve it, and even more because i think is the maximum expression of love, wich woman won't feel completely loved and proud of her husband if hi is willing to carry their baby to make her happy and give her the bless of being a mother, without expecting anything back. and that idiot son of a bitch that says that they should butn in hell hi or her is the one that is gonna be burn in hell for being against love and life.:)...

By last I will like to express my happines for this couple, my respect and my admiration for being that strong and for being fighting for what they want and what they love, their family and i bit that baby will be so happy arround all tha love that her parents will give her, and knowing that her parents specialy her dad were so brave to fight for her.BIG TIME CONGRATULATIONS TOM AND NANCY!!!!

Anonymous said...

Wow....what is this world coming to.

Anonymous said...

clap clap. a chick that looks like a guy and is pregnant. now thats something that everyone should stop and look at! the media is pretty messed up if this is the kind of crap that they rant and rave about

Anonymous said...

ok so first off the article said that he stoped taking the testosterone four whole months before and hed did not get pregnant for like a whole yearlater so ithink that it should be fine

Anonymous said...

To be honest! I thought it was a JOKE When I heard it from a co-worker. We were laughing like endless. I tuned on the news that night but it was never repeated. Till I heard again that he is going to be interviewed at OPRAH show, Again! it's obvious that I had so much things to do better than listening to whatever chances I could, nevertheless didn't matter me to whether it's true or not. The second time it was aired on OPRAH, I saw it halfway before the show ends... I just have one thing to say and Im sorry if everything didn't go well in your FAVOR. If I were you, I should have kept this in private! and since you did and having this relationship with women "why didn't you let your behalf (WIFE) did the pregnancy for you?. Instead, going in public and expect People should give you that much respect when RACISM and HOMOSEXUALITY aren't completely embraced in an ignoramous society, and now THIS?....Im sorry! I think you just simply CRAZY.

Anonymous said...

To everyone who has posted thus far:
You people need to get a life man!! Just because you can read a book, or look up a definition in a book and then blog about it doesn't mean shit. Y'all are all morons...

Anonymous said...

s/he not really a man. s/he has a vagina which would maker her a women, just a very ugly women

Kenneth Zachary said...

Grow the hell up. If you're going to post a comment, post a serious comment and read the previous posts.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who tells someone else to "burn in hell" is, in my opinion, a sociopath. I could make a lot of slurs about some of the religious zealots, but I'll keep my mouth shut.
However, I must say that intolerance is probably one of the worst character faults a person can have, or, were I the holier-than-thou type, I'd call it a mortal sin.
Who cares what the fanatics think? Live and let live.

Anonymous said...

FREEEEEAAKKKKKK!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Im sorry but you are sicker than michael jackson. why didn't u decide having a baby when you still a girl? U choose to become a MAN and got pregnant???? LOL LOL LOL sick fuck.

Kenneth Zachary said...

Dear poster, you are the sick fuck, mocking other people's struggles. Grow up.

Anonymous said...

Hey! KENNETH SUCKARY, i understand your enthusiasm, I just cant suck it in the event. Liberate me cause, hearing shit like these would have my education and understanding went to trash entirely. All Im saying is we have OPTIONS in the world. His other, would have been better in SILENCE. It's a SHAME im responding this way, cause what he did is a PUBLIC DISGRACE. COMPRENDE???????

Kenneth Zachary said...

Dear Anonymous,
I apologize if my comment offended you in any way. I'm sure you're working very hard on your English.
One day, when you're a big boy (or girl) you'll understand these issues better. I'm sorry that I can't explain the situation in a way that you can comprehend.
Love is love. It is not our place to judge.
You can argue the points of biology, but without further investigations into other scientific fields like psychology, cultural sociology, zoology and sexology, your basis for argument is severely lacking.
Try not to take personal offense because someone's scientific opinion varies from yours. I'm sure you'll grow up to be a big, strong debater.
x kisses.

Anonymous said...

I personally don't agree with his(her) choices on going through a gender switch, but the thing is, it's not my decision personally, it was hers. And she made her decision. Now He wants to have a baby, and I agree that it is human nature to want to procreate. I think it is a sad thing how people have mistreated them, and I think they have chosen their lifestyle and I say good for them for following what they want in life. I hope that the child is healthy and that the family that they have produces a good enviroment for their new child.

Kenneth Zachary said...

Dear Anonymous,
Your response was very mature and professional. Thank you for contributing something good to this board.

Anonymous said...

ZACHARIUS!, You didn't offend me in any way, Its not your place to apologize to nobody. Im just exercising my freedom of speech and if you insist further scientifically as you told, it's my point EXACTLY! The situation fucked up everything I learned in biology... Don't just sit there believing on something and at thesame time, say sorry cause you have no way to explain it. that sounds bias and hypochrite... I can accept anybody who truly know who they are, gays or lesbians but subjecting an innocent life, once born and become a laughing stock to everyone should an adult put into consideration first before themeselves. True, love is love and Love shouldn't hurt and hope u can guarrantee that doesn't happen to the unborn child. Sometimes we sacrifice our OWN happpiness out of love. Doing what we feel when happy isn't always the RIGHT THING, we balance it forsaking others. But don't use LOVE as an excuse just on your own accord. it's my opinion by the way.

Kenneth Zachary said...

I can explain it to you, if you'd like, but I already did that in a previous post. If you want to know the science behind it, I suggest you read the other posts.
I understand your concern about the baby, but you have to be honest on this one. What child isn't embarrassed by their parents? If your mother is obese, you'll be picked on and subject to ridicule. If your mother is from a foreign country, if your parents are poor or catholic or jewish. There are a million reasons that a child might be tormented because of their parents. Are you saying that only attractive, white, American born people should have children? Otherwise, the kids are bound to get picked on for their parents.

Anonymous said...

Im so sorry to tell you but your explanations is selfish and self-centered.. if you want HONESTY on this case if I were the baby? i would defy my parents for the rest of my miserable life. Why? i would rather be put up to adoption and be raise normally like other kids. and why would any normal human being in their right mind put me in this situation? Im not asking too much but I think I deserve a litle morality.

It's easy for you to say anything looking in. When u have no idea how's it become having a duplex parents will terrorize the heck out of you too. HELL NO!!! i don't mind being poor or having disabled parents or having no religion at all. But pls don't put me into this predicament that only ONE individual decide my birth unwelcomely...if She's acknowledging her true personality god's given to her, She shouldn't modify herself just because it's trendy. all I want my parents is a litle DECENCY, IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK???? LOOK AT THE ABOVE PHOTO? WOULD YOU CALL THAT MOM????

Anonymous said...

First and foremost a few words about arguing and fallacies in logical reasoning. A fallacy is an error in reasoning. Attacking someone or using emotional language in any argument does not make the conclusion of the argument truer. The argument (and the issue at stake) does not get any clearer or truer by committing these fallacies. The argument simply stagnates and does not get any further. Just because politicians do this on a frequent basis, it does not mean this is the right way to argue. Logic and the rules of logical reasoning were first observed, developed, and then documented (as far as we know today) by Greeks. What politicians, especially in America, do frequently today when they attack each other in a political argument/debate is a populist show, and not an engagement in real-sense arguing or logical reasoning.

Ad hominem arguments are arguments that reject or dismiss another person’s statement by attacking the person rather than the statement itself. This is known as a fallacy (the argument itself is a “fault” argument) and is taught in introductory Logical Reasoning classes to be avoided by all means. I think I’ve made myself clear here about attacks on others and use of emotional language. Those of you who are interested in learning more about arguing and better expressing yourselves from a logical reasoning standpoint, I suggest “The Art of Reasoning” by David Kelley.

Second point. I do believe every person is born free to live the way he or she wants and free to express his/her opinion. These virtues, however, come with costs expressed in many ways. One of such costs is tolerance. We, as a society, will never be free until we are tolerant and respectful of each other. Just because someone does not act, think, look, feel, or believe the way I do does not necessarily make him/her a freak or a lesbian, or a demon, or whatever other nonsense people are spewing on this blog. What it makes him or her is simply another living and breathing human being like myself worthy first and foremost of my tolerance and respect. Let me remind you of the atrocities of the 20th century and about how humanity responded to them, partly at the Nuremberg trials, by stating that we, as humans, stood, stand and will continue to stand for a value of a single human life. It does not get more fundamental or basic than that. Once we do not “stand” for a human life, we slide back to the horrors and the deepest darkness of the human being.

Tom made a choice to proclaim himself as a man to this world based on how he felt and continues to feel; he and his wife decided to have a baby, they want to start a family and bring another human being to this world.

All I have to say is that I respect Tom’s decisions and I stand by him. I don’t approve or disapprove of him. I tolerate and respect him.

Yes, I am a devout Christian man. But I also have a brain that the same God gave me and read the Bible where Jesus tells me to love my neighbor as myself. This is a very tough and at the same time a very easy call – love others. The best way to love someone is to be tolerant and respectful of him/her. Jesus did that and so will I.

Let me repeat this one more time – just because someone does not act, think, look, feel, or believe the way I do does not necessarily make him or her bad or of second-sort, or a freak, or whatever else. It’s also true about someone else’s gender, religion, sexuality, identity, etc, etc. What it makes him or her is simply another human being that I am living next to and am obliged to tolerate and respect (both from the standpoint of basic societal norms and from religious norms).

Don’t judge Tom and/or his wife. Judge yourself and your actions against the duty that you owe other human beings – the duty of tolerance and respect. The world will be a much better place if you do.

Anonymous said...

To the other anonymous!> Your point is taken mixed with contradictions and misconceptions. Like I mentioned before, I have no problems with anyone's inborn sexuality. It's not a preference by the way to gain respect to TOM and NANCY's living lifestyle. Frankly, I don't give a damn what else they could have done. Respect has nothing to do in my part expressing my thoughts, this is solely my opinion. I can RESPECT someone I knew as I gain knowledge and demand as I agree. That's everyday living for HUMANS. I understand human beings in various ways and reason being that makes us INDIVIDUAL. We are opt too many ways living the best example to other humans, not nescessarily attest other human being from absolute abnormality by conflicting what I understood science and religion originally. And expect EVERYBODY should embrace this matter at any point nescessarry just to show your so called-RESPECT to TOM and NANCY?. Are u out of ur mind? In fact, TOM and NANCY owes an apology to the public to gain their respect back not the viewing public who are still in shock. They choose this motion in advertizing themeselves to which they could have kept in SILENCE, but NOOOOO! Instant popularity in all newstand, and tv shows doesn't make it any better as they're jeopardized the future of the unborn child......

I don't JUGDE, My only concern is a better RESOLUTION in fairness of the unborn child. I couldn't careless TOM/NANCY kissing dikes in public as I have enough tolerance by ignoring although by me admitting it's a quite an EYESORE. How could ANYONE begin Respecting if no one sees DECENCY to it?. and By them IGNORING the MORALITY of what they'd done. Im sorry but they can't bake a cake and eat entirely for themeselves. SELFISH, SELFISH,SELFISH and that's exactly what they'd done with the kid, perhaps due this week as we speak.

Anonymous said...

Please define decency and explain what is so immoral in what they have done (or how you understand it).

In terms of selfishness - again what is so selfish in their actions? Explain it.

One more point - you called my statement full of contradictions yet you did not point out any. Please do so.

Anonymous said...

One more thing - what is so "bad" in this situation for the girl that was born yesterday? If Tom and Nancy are going to be loving and caring parents for her, why does it matter to the public? We have plenty of "normal" kids born to "normal" heterosexual families that are molested, abused, abandoned, or not cared for.

I can also point out a number of gay couples who raise children and oftentimes do a much better job than their "normal" heterosexual counterparts.

And please don't tell me that it is indecent, or immoral, or any other such thing. As an example, I was adopted as a 5-year-old child and have grown up to be the best version of me; unlike the version my alcoholic biological parents had in mind for me. I love my adoptive parents and truly call them "my family".

I think we are wasting our time here.

Anonymous said...

What it Immoral?> having Sex-changed, Man-looking pregnant, involving innocent without even considering one's future will cause by her STUPID decisions. if they had so much LOVE in them, why they didn't consider adoption instead? You said it yourself...That's when DECENCY steps in. Don't get me wrong!Just Imagine If I were in that kid shoes growing-up in same sex relationships.(thank god! i was not!) Knowing from classmates before them telling me that my mother wasn't really my mom?..Listen! what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And that includes you and your whatever partner you may have, or any human beings in the world. OK? I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH THING! TOO MUCH LOVE DON'T MAKE ANY WRONGDOING RIGHT! I think LOVE if you ain't careful will make someone STUPID, first exibit 1:> TOM/NANCY. Can you honestly think, TOM/NANCY will tell the KID the EXACT truth, after the poor KID found it from classmates?. and if they do, What version of Lies in order to protect the kid's innocence?.

You can point a HELL lot of gay couples blowing each other but nevertheless ONCE claim they got pregnant by it. Not by FANTAZIES, and Certainly not on OPRAH show. And if some of them raising kids is because they did the RIGHT thing! They have the COMMON COURTESY seeking an adoption agencies, withstanding endurance and that's PURE GENUINE LOVE for a child. Not some kind of repeated EXPERIMENTS and GENDER conversion prior to conceiving a child.

Lucky You if you were adopted. Never mind atleast you have RESPECT for him (I supposed)despite him being alcoholic,.................... TAKE NOTE:> ATLEAST HE DIDN'T CARRY YOU THRU BIRTH!

Anonymous said...

WOW who would have thought people could be so cruel. Does it really matter what sex you are? what you believe in? It all boils down to one thing at the end of the day, everyone is human, and everyone has the right to what they want in life. Just because someone is, gay/lesbian, or transgender, does not make them any less human, than the rest of us.

If that man did not feel comfortable in his body previously, what was so wrong that he wanted to change his sex? Honestly, what is the difference, people who are over weight go on diets because they don't like how they look, right? so why is this any different? People change themselves psychically everyday, some, lose weight, some body build, people put make up on, people tan, people do all kinds of things that change their appearance.

Maybe to someone who don't understand this; this is wrong, but if it makes them happy, so what? If they love each other, and are happy with what they've made in life, and gotten, good for them. They deserve all the credit. How many people are really brave enough to say, "I don't like this about myself, and go ahead and change it, or I want to do this." and actually do it? not too many. He had the courage, to say he didn't like this and that about himself, and changed it, and he wanted a baby with his wife, and he did, despite what people may or may not think, so good for him.

It's not disgusting that a man had a baby, it's a part of nature, and any one that says, men don't have babies, research some.. you obviously don't know too much, seahorse males carry the eggs, do people judge that? of course not because it's part of nature, so why judge him?

If anything, I bet you he's going to be a great father, and his wife will be a great mother, they will probably be the happiest family ever. They've done what they wanted in life, they don't hate themselves or hate how they are. So give them some respect.
I wish them both the best!

Anonymous said...

Above anonymous Pls! Is it US cruel, or YOU just being NAIVE?. Some People shared their OPINION the way TOM's presented the image as we saw. NOT! bec. she's transgender, Or US being JUDGEMENTAL. It's an OPINION as if "ME" were to be transgender. Do you understand? No one ever mentioned about FAT PEOPLE, or GAYS any less to society. Perhaps, Part in your conscience saying that bec. You choose to LIE how you truly feel...We are the highest CHORDATA in the UNIVERSE, so quit bulling with the SEAHORSES, or the other nonsense u mentioned away from the topic.

Can you honestly tell me why TOM's came out to the public?...if she's truly sure of everything she does, why the need of telling everyone? You called it COURAGE, while I see it lack of MORAL values. By saying that or feeling that way, why Im accused to be JUDGEMENTAL? Although, I keep repeating myself it's just my opinion,Is HONESTY has any value to you?

Here's my CLOSURE to you THOMAS! What u did, is IMMORAL to ur child's WELFARE, and if u have DECENCY left at all, u should let another couple raise ur kid normally with ur financial support ONLY, Im sorry but i don't think you should attend P.T.A meetings at all none of that!. And let ur kid decide when the timing is right. don't take advantage someone's INNOCENSE let alone the LOVE you claim u have. if u truly LOVE ur kid , u r willing to let it go, cause if HE/SHE feels same way to u, He/she WILL FIND u regardless.

Im not gonna sit just to be nice in ur favor where the REALITY is unknown to ur kid's future. Hope u can find within you to forgive urself, from the decisions you made after u decide having ur own. LIVE but LET OTHERS LIVE their own way too!. But When u involve innocent into the equation of ABNORMALITY, I think it's only fair to step aside and Im NOT denying your rights being the birth mother...Perhaps one day, your kid, can relate me what RESPECT really is, if indeed I misunderstood the meaning. DO THE RIGHT THING! That's all!...


Sincerely,
LEO

Anonymous said...

dear local religious fanatic,
doesnt God tell us that it is not our place to judge but his and his alone. Isn't it true that we are told to love as HE first loved us? no questions asked. I love the same God you claim to love but your profanity and insane closed mindedness is exactly why people look at the Christian faith and scoff at us. Im 17 years old and i can see this obsurdity. God will judge this person in his own right in his own time. The divine plan of the Lord is not for you to dish out. I mean he still loves you in your rudeness. You can not damn someone to hell or decide what makes them deserve to GO to hell. We ALL deserve this punishment but you along with everyone else have been given the gift of salvation and can not choose whether or not someone recieves it. Judgement day will come and we will all face God and be judged. Let the poor man wait until then and stop tearing him apart.

Anonymous said...

i have to say i agree with quite a few of the people commenting on here. Why shouldnt he be allowed to carry a child? Same sex couples cana adopt, to have children, think of the children then, not being brought up in a "normal" family, (I have nothing against this). At least this child will have a mother and father figure in her life. And in todays day and age what is normal? and who are we to define normal? Sometimes it can be the differences that have better outcomes. I wish the couple all the best.

Anonymous said...

Above comment "And in todays day and age what is normal? and who are we to define normal? Sometimes it can be the differences that have better outcomes"............ > did you analize what you wrote before posting? ONLY AN ADULT (with brain) CAN IDENTIFY what is NORMAL against the INNOCENT. When u posses of such thing, U should use that POWER considering, Instead that proclaimed LOVE but SELFISH that may subject the child's UPBRINGING. As an ADULT's saying "We should know better"...and if you can't define NORMAL, Atleast U COULD have wish all the best for the CHILD, and NOT THE COUPLE!

Joe said...

If its possible to do that, then why not ?

the gods don't seem to be coming out of the sky to punish him for sinning & wrong doings.

Another human being in the world, hooray! :-)

For the 'it doesn't happen in other animals therefore it must be wrong' argument is simply bunk, because with the technology at our fingertips today we alter our bodies drastically, through science, foods, drugs, pharmacutecals, etc. If you make that argument then you discredit every scientific and 'progressive' modern acheivement of the last century. - Everything has been done differently in the last 100 years, we are obviously a different species, why else would there be such a consistent 'animal/human' division in the zeitgeist.

Anonymous said...

jOE, Why say something in vain? if U have no religion that's fine, but don't use OUR GOD's NAME to justify ur misconstrued ideas.

NOBODY is discrediting any SCIENTIFICALLY as we bound to discover daily.Perhaps it's thesame reason, U thinked that way cause U allow yourself indulged thru various experiments Believing it can be done differently. Guess what? some does! NOT EVERYBODY DOES!. And in this case? MALE don't get pregnant no matter how you slice it. That's a consistent criteria of HUMAN BEING.. Now, if you came from animal species, and transformed looking-like a MAN named JOE!, Im sorry but an English-speaking Monkey, or Parrot DO NOT BRAKE THE DIVISION bringing us ONE. so why else there such theory? >Religion and science. U tell me why they vary. if U CANT differentiate the two, then perhaps u came from someone's else science project. U may fool me like TOMAS did, but that did make it OK when U BROKE THE IMPRESSION.

And to you NANCY! When u prefer a Man, Why not marry the REAL MAN, INSTEAD of IMPOSTORS? Get real! girl!...U think you are lesbian, but u want ur partner to be looking-like a MAN. I don't get IT!!!!!!!!

leo

Anonymous said...

What defines a man and a woman? The reproductive organs, and in a more deeper look, the chromosomes. No matter how hard this person tries, she's still going to be a woman. The chromosomes still stay the same even if you get your breasts cut out, get hair implants, or take testosterone. This is possibly the worst thing you could do to yourself, on the sole fact that you will never become the opposite sex. It's impossible. To do so, you would have to rewrite DNA.

Anonymous said...

I dont understand some of you people, let me guess you are all way to into your religon, yet you judge, so your breaking your own rules. Do i think this person should have gotten into the media? no. there isnt anything spectacular about this, he is a woman, and obviously wasnt at all comfortable with that, so started to change it, but the person he loves could not carry, so he chose to do so for her, i think he took a risk of his life, for someone he loves and thats amazing to me. the rest of you need some serious help and take a good long look at yourselves. who cares if he is a male or woman, he is a PERSON and that should be the only thing that matters. Idiots.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous! GAYS, LESBIANS, STR8 are persons. We vary cause we're individuals. We act acc. to how we feel, We do as we please! But IN THE NAME OF LOVE we often loose our BRAIN.... why? why? why?

I don't care what GENDER would dare to conceive a child. "KEEP THAT SHIT IN THE CLOSET". But PLEASE! never let the Public AWARE your ongoing ISSUES. If I were a boy transformed as a girl, Atleast I would HONOR the DUTY of WOMAN, by not prostituting myself proving my VAGINA is fully functional. I EXPECT same RESPECT from any WOMAN wants to be a MAN! Pleaaaaase!!!!WHAT MESSAGE UR GIVING YOUNG GENERATIONS "WORLD's 1ST PREGNANT MAN?"......Is that good ROLE model for everyone just bec. their LOVE is stronger far than OTHERS? IS THAT REAL LOVE? OR JUST WANT SOME CONTROVERSY?...They say " we should TOLERATE others to show RESPECT" but What kind of a soul someone would POSE all over the world looking at the above PHOTO? DISGUSTING! Your WRONG FOR THAT FREAK!!!!!!!!!! "DO UNTO OTHER'S AS YOU WOULD OTHERS, DO UNTO YOU" i guess it's not always what it meant, instead "OBJECTS IN THE MIRROR IS CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR"

leo

Anonymous said...

this controversy is bullshit. there shouldn't even be a controversy. this person is giving birth, to a person. we live in such a stupid fucked up world afraid of gays and lesbians, transgenders, and the works. we are all people. our purpose here is to reproduce, and that is clearly what is happening here. somebody is giving birth to a child and everybody's tripping out over it? who cares if that person happens to be a male? he's got the gear to give birth, why shouldn't he? religion should fuck off and let people be who they want to be. stop pushing your stupid religious bullshit on everybody else.
religion will be a thing of the past pretty soon anyways, so just get over it

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that the world is fucked-up contributed by some individual you mentioned? AFRAID is certainly not the word! whose to say our purpose of living is simply to multiply? Have you forgotten the obvious that RESPONSIBILITY is the keyword? Here we go, MONEY isn't all the answers to that, same with any relationships, LOVE doesn't fill all the gaps involve on partners when you incur a child. PROTECTION doesn't necessarily mean a 24 hour surveilance or Money abundance can guarrantee to cover SHAME you inpede into the child's backround. You will never EVER change that! and you know what is BULLSHIT?> that LOVE evolved in that relationship....Religion can't even begin to incline any understanding of this, unless you are willing to unfuck what u just stated. I understand the PRIDE u stands for as you are willing to march all effort you can in PARADE like a damn fool only to be notice. Is there any other reason? who's questioning your existence any less than other individual other than your own FEAR itself. Could it be your own shadow you fear of? don't you dare use that word AFRAID. And don't you dare translate this INSTANCE as form of racism either....There are things in life we just can't do, just bec. we can, We have other options too but we let our hearts rules our MIND due to LOVE we often blinded from. That doesn't make it right.

leo

Ashleigh said...

Aww, that's so nice that they're having a kid :)
NOW TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING HATE MESSAGES, YOU MAKE ME SICK! THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS WITH A BABY ON THE WAY, HOW DARE YOU TREAT THEM LIKE MONSTERS. YOU ARE CRUEL, EVIL PEOPLE.

Anonymous said...

Personally I believe that transgender humans should be mentally evaluated before the process to change has taken place. If someone is to become male, I belive that the reproductive organs should be taken even if that particular person decides not to have a full sex change. I am a woman and personally this is an insult to ALL women. All women joke about men having babies, but in reality this is not a man having a baby, but a woman having a baby. The comment with the definition of gender, needs to find a dictionary from before everything had to be politically correct and read that definition. This is a sad day in history when this is accepted. I do not have a problem with homosexuality, it has happened since the beginning of time, but I just wish it would fall back into the closet as it was with the ancient Spartans. All of the Spartan men had boyfriends but it was kept under secrecy, and thats how it should be today. This is just another example of how this world thinks they have no boundaries. Transgenders should be defined as the gender that they were born with and I will restate that all people wishing to be the opposite sex be throughly evaluated by a certified psychologist. There used to be a couple of words for men wanting to become women and women wanting to become a man, PSYCHO and SERIAL KILLER!! I do not support this couple, and they should have the rights of a same sex marriage, not a heterosexual marraige. Just imagine what this little girl will go through when she gets older. She will be so confused about men and the world in general. She will be feared as much as her parents. I know from personal experiece, because a really good friend of mine in school had homosexual parents, and that particular kid coudnt have parties at her house because the parents did not trust the "parents" of the girl. Just imagine when she starts asking about sex and how she was concieved, what are they going to say then??

Anonymous said...

I think they can live their life how they choose. They really aren't hurting anyone by wanting to have a baby. I just don't think they should say this is the first pregnant man because if you are a man you can't have babies and this person isn't a man. He/she has a flat chest and takes testosterone but if you can have a period and a baby your NOT a man.

Anonymous said...

Above comment,Helo! Most People think when OPINION like this presented as opposed to their (Frontin!) kind ideas to TOM and NANCY made us (few) to be cruel and evil. OFCOURSE NOT!. I can be nicer too, I just don't feel the decision is right for them, NOT WITH THEIR EXPERIMENTED BIOLOGICAL CHILD. The 1st thing they should do now is to find a heterosexual couple to raise the kid. IT IS WHAT IT IS...... What do this couple has felt for LOVE above everybody else? that no one SHOULD object cause they have every right including MANIPULATING your own innocent blood. That's LAME! a very lame excuse used for LOVE!!!!

However, in the case of having mentally evaluated is obvious LATE for them, My main FOCUS right now is for the child's best interest to which THEY should emancipate the baby away from TOM/NANCY's before opening her eyes.

TOMAS! u ain't NO BRAD PITT and he never once wish to carry a child for ANGELINA JOLIE. And as for you NANCY! Find a real MAN! not a LESBIAN Looking like a MAN. Don't just wished and PRETEND being happy from a DECEIT. That's not LOVE, That's a FEAR having ur ass kick by TOM wanna be! Get real!....


leo

Anonymous said...

Whats the big deal with this article? In my opinion, She was BORN a woman, it doesn't matter what she WANTS to be. She had to be injected with SPERM to have a child. Therefore she is a woman.

That poor child. Wait until they find out their mother isn't biologically their mother. But their father is their mother who was injected with sperm because She had a sex change.

Roy said...

more power to them.

first 'legal male'.

she has done well. she faces a tough job. unfortunately so does her daughter. there are gonna be some tough times for her ahead. hope all goes well, hope.

but if she opts to do something like this, or even have her gender changed, she cannot expect others to treat him like just another guy. the doctor has a right not to treat him, just as she has a right to be called a man.

we have every right to do watch u gonna, but we cant expect others to like it. accept it, maybe.

but the daughter doesnt exactly get a say in this one.

not telling his in laws she is a transman before marriage is a little rude. sure hes gonna be treated differently, but she is different.

and michael jackson is black.

Anonymous said...

This man loves his wife and I guarantee that he knew a lot of the public would ridicule him before he made his decision final, but he put all of that aside so they could raise a healthy, happy family, sure is method's are weird but he wanted his wife to be happy, tell me what is so wrong about that?! Bet you can't tell me. I don't see anything wrong with transgender or hermaphrodite's one of my close friends is pseudohermaphrodite and he was BORN that way, and there is nothing wrong with that. Just because people like the man in this story are different doesn't make them freaks of nature or monstors or any of that crap him and every transgender hermaphrodite, homosexual, whatever are just HUMAN BEINGS like you, me, or the guy next door

Anonymous said...

I don't get where the mags are saying the first man to have a baby, if you don't have a penis you are not a man, just because you change your looks doesn't mean you change who you are. she was born a girl and have all the inside of a girl, she never had any inside of a male or two balls in a sac with a penis that gets big when it's ready and goes small. so this person isn't a man and they should stop saying or making it a big deal because it's no man it a woman who just change her looks.

Anonymous said...

It's obvious in this panel are bunch of birds of same feathers flocking together. Listen! GAYS AND LESBIANS! LOVE ALL YOU CAN BE, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS! JUST DON'T RAPE SOMEONES INNOCENCE ( a fucking CHILD) CLAIMING IT IS OKAY FOR EVERYONE IN YOUR BEING AS LONG AS IT FEELS RIGHT FOR JUST THE TWO OF YOU......WHAT'S RIGHT IS " LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE IN YOUR LOVE UNDERTAKINGS. NO CHILD SHOULD EVER PUT IN ANY EXPERIMENTS OF UNCERTAINTY TO PROVE YOU ARE CAPABLE OF LOVING. LOVE OF SAME SEX ARE JUST FINE, IF THE NATURE OF THAT LOVE DOESN'T CONSTITUTE OR MEANT TO REPRODUCE, ATLEAST ACCEPT THAT FACT!!!!!!!!!!! CAUSE WHEN YOU INSIST, YOU SHOULD?>, THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG.


leo

Anonymous said...

Correction: " IF YOU INSIST SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T, THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG!

leo

Anonymous said...

And to you ROY! OTHERS can forgive and accept just as easy, But individual like THOMAS carelessness is something should be prevented so you don't have to prove your point to US why her AUDIENCE are accused Cruel instead.

HOMOSEXUALITY and CHILDREN are NOT quite cool into the mix in my opinion and if you do so, forget your selfishness and act ACCORDINGLY just like you been raised by your str8 parents...Having children in your side, You don't nescessarily gather OTHER'S opinion by going PUBLIC in television shows to get approval by your audience. That sense is what THOM causes her skepticsm in the first place, knowing deep inside there's something it's "NOT JUST RIGHT". If she feels same way you all feel for her right now,if indeed NORMAL, why the need to come up all over the world? for what??????? her dumbass knew the ABNORMALITY of what she causes that's why she needs some of you to balance this situation through act of LOVE. lol.

The only difference of them with MICHAEL JACKSON, is although, you are staring at all facts: bleached body, eyeliner, lipstick and very feminine for a MAN is> HE never confirmed the whole world his sexuality and admit NOTHING, nor CLAIMING HE'S DIFFERENT. especially when MICHAEL start raising kids. That kind of gender SACRIFICE is what I call HONORABLE forsaking them kids...Save the best for last, foresay. Atleast till they're grown enough to choose..

I don't see none of this EFFORT by TOM and NANCY except the fact that ONE is doing for the other half, HAPPINESS?..Should NANCY have responded TOM ( upon knowing her willingness and being true to her especially the first insemination failed ) enough to stop her? NOT TO DO IT? She's a selfish bitch too. and You all thinked this 2 self-absurd freaks can raise a child properly??? You all look yourselves in the mirror and think twice before some of you repeat the HISTORY Again.....BEHAVE CAN ONLY APPLY FOR A KID, I'LL BE DAMN TO REFER THIS TO AN ADULT.


leo

Anonymous said...

"...had his breasts surgically removed ...but kept his vagina..."

A breast-less person with female reproductive organs is a woman, not a man.

Anonymous said...

Personally, i believe this person did this to get attention, maybe that wasn't her original intention, but it seems as though gays and lesbians aren't shy about the media, and they flaunt their sexuality. It brings to me the case of the young boy who was shot by one of his classmates who he had a crush on, this boy was openly gay. Now, I'm not suggesting in any way the boy who did the shooting had any right to do so, but the boy who was gay didn't hide that he was gay. That's what was so disturbing to the boy who shot him, not just that he had a crush on him. Such drastic measures should not be taken, however. I believe in a more practical approach, as many have said before, we're all human, we're all full of fault. But to legalize something morally wrong? I do not agree with that.

Anonymous said...

Ok, even though i think being transexual is ok, i dont think he shud have a child like this. You might say im stupid or sick or something, i honestly dont care what you think but imagine what the child will have to grow up with. All the name calling and bullying. I think this man is very selfish and is only doing this sorta crap for attention. Most transexuals wouldnt dream of doing this because its not fair on the child. Im gay i wont even consider adoption because i know the child would be picked on for having two dads and its not the "norm". So i think that this dude is wrong in doing this.

Anonymous said...

God's way does not involve LESBIANS or the changing of your sex. These lesbians are sinners, and therefore, will go to Hell, because they are sinning and they know they are. That is a mortal sin, and I am not OK with it. "Thomas Beatie", or should I say, Tracy Lagondino is nothing but a woman, and the fact that she kept her vagina proves it true.
I shun gayness, for it is not the way of the Lord.
Sincerely,
One Who Believes God Matters

Anonymous said...

to the above anonymous: for saying... "God's way does not involve LESBIANS or the changing of your sex. These lesbians are sinners, and therefore, will go to Hell, because they are sinning and they know they are. That is a mortal sin, and I am not OK with it. "Thomas Beatie", or should I say, Tracy Lagondino is nothing but a woman, and the fact that she kept her vagina proves it true.
I shun gayness, for it is not the way of the Lord.
Sincerely,
One Who Believes God Matters"...


This time you represented a true MISCONCEPTION of the almighty. Love is bigger than any SIN ITSELF, if indeed homosexuality is all you considered for saying what you said, PROVES that you are a coward racist....Let me remind you, don't be..if you're not living (yet!) long enough knowing a good counterpart of homosexuality, You shouldn't repeat those lines in the basis of BAD impressions done by "Thomas beatie"...I only looked at thomas with bad choices, equal to no remorse in behalf of her own blood. A self-centered selfish individual...On contrary, it is sad to say she's giving all gender a bad name. being a female, male and a lesbian. to be honest! Im still confused what gender she considered herself into?... I don't hate her for whatever she is, IT'S WHAT SHE DO!

leo

Anonymous said...

ThInK AbOut ThE bAbY!!!!!

rae_nashi said...

To Kenneth Zachary. So being professional and mature is agreeing with your opinion? And you call yourself liberal and open-minded? How So? What if the people who disagree with this un-natural event have their own moral codes and ethics, they are disagreeing with something that completely goes against their beliefs. How about RESPECTING that?
I think that we are all entitled to our own opinions, but should not harm anyone else in the process, from both sides.
However, I do think that this is un-natural, but hormones do play a part in people's thinking and lives. Obviously he had extra testosterone in his brain as a fetus, or some other deviation. Note to any "close-minded liberals", deviation does not elude to negative undertones. A deviation is "departure from the standard or norm", and it is a word used commonly in the scientific world.
Either way, science is not the only factor in this situation. There are morals and ethics which people have been going by since creation. To Kenneth Zachary. So being professional and mature is agreeing with your opinion? And you call yourself liberal and open-minded? How So? What if the people who disagree with this un-natural event have their own moral codes and ethics, they are disagreeing with something that completely goes against their beliefs. How about RESPECTING that?
I think that we are all entitled to our own opinions, but should not harm anyone else in the process, from both sides.
However, I do think that this is un-natural, but hormones do play a part in people's thinking and lives. Obviously he had extra testosterone in his brain as a fetus, or some other deviation. Note to any "close-minded liberals", deviation does not elude to negative undertones. A deviation is "departure from the standard or norm", and it is a word used commonly in the scientific world.
Either way, science is not the only factor in this situation. There are morals and ethics which people have been going since creation.
For Kenneth Zakhary and others like him, if you cannot respect the majority's opinion, why should they respect yours? If you do not have respect for murderers who commit murder in the "heat of the moment" and cannot sympathize with they broke a human law because they were provoked, then why should the majority sympathize with a FEMALE who tries to turn herself into a male, but then decides to have a child. I understand that wanting a child is a human desire, however carrying a child in a "man's" body is the most un-natural thing a human can do. What then seperates moral from immoral if we do not put a line and accept everything? What seperates humans, who have higher thinking, from the lower animals in the kingdom? They kill and procreate with everyone, and they cannot discriminate between the good and the bad, the natural and the un-natural. However, us as humans, have been provided with a very advanced brain and CAN infact make such decisions. If we go ahead and accept this man's decisions, then we have to go ahead and ACCEPT everything else in this world that goes against our natural humanity. We will not torture people like Thomas, because then we are promoting unhumane behavior, however we cannot accept this, because what draws the line?
Should we all do what we want? If that was the case, then CANNIBALISTIC communities would still be existing in this world. However, we have completely stopped cannibalistic activities because it goes against our human nature.
Should we have left cannibalist communities to exist? If you accept Thomas's pregnancy, then you are saying that we should've accepted cannibalstic societies because that was what they wanted, and that is what matters. To some socities, cannibalism (the eating of humans) was the most loving way to dispose of their dead relatives. Instead of burrying them, they would "put a place inside their body for them". As a modern civilized society, we did not agree with that and destroyed the practice. If you say that Thomas is right and we should not find this disturbing, then we should not find cannibalism disturbing either, or ANY other "un-natural" behavior. Is that what you are saying? Please reply, with the same respect that you are demanding from the majority, because only then will you achieve the harmony that you are so striving for. Do not choose certain sentences from my post to reply to, and reply to everything I have said. I would like to hear your very "liberal" opinion :)

proud gay mama said...

I wish everyone would stop projecting their insecurities and judgements on the baby. Not everyone comes from non-communicative homes and families. Not everyone lives in a neighborhood where they will be persecuted for the private lives of their parents. And not all children are growing up to be as mean and spiteful as some of the people voicing their hatred and condemnation here.

I am a lesbian in a same sex marriage (which some of you will find shocking enough, but is legal where I live and in many other places) and we have a teenage daughter.

Our daughter has been raised in a very diverse community, which includes people from all types of orientations and all (that's right, I didn't say 'both', I said 'all') genders. She has closely known gay men and lesbians, bisexuals, trisexuals, male-to-female and female-to-male trans folk, drag kings and queens, queer girls who love trans bois, queer men who love trans women, lesbians who love lesbian trans girls.. the list goes on.. (probably lost some of you here already didn't I?)

Both of her moms, the rest of her family and all of our friends (gay, straight and trans) have always been very open and have respectfully communicated with her, answered her questions, and supported her through various difficulties all her life. She has grown to be a very well-adjusted, mature, compassionate and intelligent girl. She has plenty of friends (and has always been quite popular), gets good grades, engages in countless after-school projects, and has NEVER been teased or ridiculed for her upbringing. In fact, numerous friends of hers have come to us over the years because, they have told us, they love us and they feel safe at our house. In fact, a number of these kids have faced violence or neglect in their own homes, and we have offered them support in whatever ways we can.

My point is that the sexual orientation of the parents has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of life that girl will have growing up. The respect and strength and support she is shown by her family and community has everything to do with it.

Leave that girl alone and stop telling us how awful her life is going to be.

Anonymous said...

To proudgaymama, Quit sugarcoating this issue as if your adopted child was conceived by THOMAS BEATTY Freakylookinglike. IT'S NOT THESAME.....I REPEAT! IT IS NOT THESAME OK?.. No lifestyle share honesty and truth like you said. I understand you just TRYING to be NICE. which resulted your related life experiences a total vortex, a total bunch of bull.

I have been raised in community where there's no such thing as defined> DIVERSE, use as an excuse to live defensively to whom you feel threatened if in case you feel the need to use it. Or LESBIAN rights as to seek your own living space to be notice like you seem to claim that GAY or LESBIAN should be a third and fourth gender among MALE AND FEMALE society. =Frankly! I don't give a damn!! if you know well-enough what organ you born with is either you're a MAN or a WOMAN. Again, What motivation you think you have claiming there should be "LESBIAN RIGHTS" into the world of Humanity? Do we all care if there such thing EXIST? Or why should we all concern of those rights enough to driven you all into having your own LESBIAN PARADE?.

My point is, if you believe you are human being serve life as man or a woman, What you feel or how you feel INSIDE,shouldn't justify how your BEHAVIOUR OUTSIDE, to further retrieve any other RIGHTS. and if it doesn't work out all on your favor, You blame to those who don't? WTF!!!!

if you are a woman feeling lesbian married with same feather, who cares how you raise your kid in a community? not necessarily called DIVERSE?,,,Why there should be a DIVERSE COMMUNITY? for what? Against who?...WE?????..... You know something? if I were that kid you adopted and raised, I would feel BLESSED going on in life if my natural birth mother is not by the name of THOMAS BEATTY. GOT THE PICTURE?

You can spend all your money on your child showing the selfish love you ONLY know how, In exchange of THOMAS BEATTY's deceit? I'd be better off on adoption line myself. and if were this kid telling you the truth, should you consider this response as INSECURITIES, HATRED or CONDEMNATION instead? are your actions resulted thru your DEVOTED selfishness. That's not love! that's MANIPULATION.

You got a nerve point out anything you said when THOMAS BEATY has no DEFINITE SEXUAL orientation to begin with?. what "quality of life" a child can benifit from the unforseen pain coming thru her life from all your lesbian nonsense? will you all raise your lesbian FLAGS to shelter her in a DIVERSE COMMUNITY? how will you direct the kid if she choose to live in a plain community, not necessarily diverse or multi-cultural where mostly directed by lesbian parents? if there's such thing as you prefer living in selected cultures like you defined, what makes you think those discreet attitude? noble racist?....I think the best way to test your strength if indeed you believe LESBIAN rights exist, and should exist then i don't see the need to fight for, right?.... FEEL-FREE living in any place, and I dare you!... what you're avoiding of living there, is equal RESPECT you get depends how you demand for being there. And that is according to your BEHAVIOUR.

leo

Totally Vegan said...

All humans are female, even men. Men are just an evolutionary defective female, a variant of the female. The XY chromosome doesn't exist, it's in truth a X with a missing leg, a mutation that happended long before humans stepped onto the plan. BTW, many "regular" women have XY chromosomes, one in 2000, your mother may be one of these.

That however doesn't change the fact that men have a male identity and persona, and it doesn't change the fact that it's relatively easy for female born women to extend into the male variant of the female.

It also doesn't change the fact that this guy and his wife have every right to be parents of their biological child and that we should be happy for them.

To the people who get really upset by this, you may suffer from psychosis, it's just a special psychosis which emulates a very rigid interpretation of normality. When something is threatening this perverted sense of normality, the psychosis reveals itself by destructionist fantasies towards this guy and his family, or towards anything else as a matter of fact. I once saw one of these people flipping out because he saw a Black guy that was albino. He (the Albino) had a very striking look, green eyes, white skin, not totally white but like Caucasians, and blonde red hair but very African features. The normalitter psychosist started yelling like mad (well...), screaming on top of his lungs that this is not possible and he actually started to attack the guy so that we had to call the police. Very interesting, when police came, they first went for the African who did absolutely nothing.

BTW, nobody will burn in hell, hell nor God exists. Religion is part of the "normalitter psychosis".

In any case, it really doesn't matter how normaLITTER psychos rant and rave about this, because this guy and his wife and child have created FACTS, so even if you rip your clothes off your body like that guy who attacked the Albino African, and scream hell and abuse, you and your types will eventually adapt to the facts. You've accepted that Earth is not flat, so you'll eventually get used to female born men having babies. It's just that there's so many of you, that sanity takes so long to spread throughout humanity.

Anonymous said...

Vegan! who can guarantee the history of evolution precisely as it's written when it's pure theory? In the Religious points of view. HUMANITY states different analogy, which one is true? and besides, who's questioning the human evolution when the issue is basically MORAL as we understood our boundaries long after the evolution, living as MEN and WOMEN, HUMANITY, SOCIETY?

Youre referring Billion of years, whosoever tries to analize the truth of OUR origin will remain a myths how life truly forms, it's a subject no one can specific about, not you! and certainly not even the President. but as we progress, we ought to improve thru our guidelines. That is, if you among yourself to us, the society that we are.


They might have EXPERIMENTED themeselves biologically as they continued and pursued NOTHING but a CHALLENGE, But that doesn't mean they have what you call RIGHT'S in human STANDARDS.


I don't consider myself upset as you told, or measure how we view this matter. it's simply OUT OF LINE, OUT OF ORDINARY if you combine the two and someone see's it ok, then what are you in the society?. Be very careful with your vocabulary as if other's view your analogy negative on the other side. Phsychosis you said? if you were homosexual in science's point of view, I don't understand the translation myself cause it's like 2 identical magnets, when put together up close, whats going to happen? it rejected the attractions right?..... HOMOSEXUAL however does NOT, despite the polarity. Reason why we call it "weird science".and since No Place in SCIENCE understand the attractions invaded homosexuals except the emotion or physical attraction with your co-taboo partners, we on the other hand rejected the matter, that doesn't mean that everyone should embraced it all because of LOVE you claim, you feel to same ONE another. We just simply abandoned that matter as we feel, it's okay to feel what your feeling, JUST DON'T ACT towards it, in other words "don't tell everyone what you do engaging in homosexual world", much less "DARE" showing in the society how bearded looking man bare clad and pregnant in billboards and tv shows. Lucky thomas! she should have her ass kicked with HONORS! she deserves every agony of it.

Oh yeahhh, In every case it should matter every rant and rave about the seriousness of this matter cause although there are HOMOS in the closet, equaled to those outside behaving in the society, it only takes Thomas and Nancy's prime bad angles of homosexual world and that's a fact. and you know deep inside if it HURTS, you know it's not right...........I think SANITY observed well daily on MEN and WOMEN lives, Imperfections is somewhat makes it WORTH LIVING!!!.......Same thing to all homosexuals, if you are happy? stay that way! don't ADVERTISE your happiness all over the world with your pictures OBJECTED the-so-called expression. Trust me! that's not cool!....


leo

totally vegan said...

{{Vegan! who can guarantee the history of evolution precisely as it's written when it's pure theory}}

This distortion of "theory", the deliberate twisting of the meaning of scientific theory to violate truth is a very bad introduction to debate (with me), because you, based on that premise, allow me to disregard anything you say as irrelevant.

There are only two types of people who use scientific theory as if that was a fantasy: Morons and Distortionists, sometimes in personal union.

In case you are a moron, I take no offense and I politely would ask you to actually inquire about the real meaning of scientific theory, so that you can repair your own fantasy of what scientific theory means.

If you are a Distortionist, well then please know that your behavior of spinning facts to please your world view digusts me. I truly loathe, hate people who commit relativistic aggression of this sort, and the internet is littered with them. They are the real butt-plugs to a better society. They have no real values whatsover, apart from furthering their own interest, and often are utterly psychotic, namely, whenever they start believing their own spins as truths and facts.

Now your fluid use of context makes it hard to fully grasp what you are on about, but I keep seeing the word homosexual in relation to a heterosexual couple of one is a cissexual heterosexual and the other is a transsexual heterosexual.

So, before we even arrive at your silly demand that homosexuals should stay oppressed and restrained, you are committing the social aggression that you ignore totally, as it would be apt, how the couple actually identifies *themselves*. When you put them into whatever fantasy sack you have chosen for them, you are only proving that you're uncapable to deploy empathy, a serious mental handicap thus. You don't just define boxes for people and then go on pretending that that was a word of the almighty easterbunny.

And your empathic retardation is further evidenced by your demand that homosexuals should repress themselves as to not inconvenience your narrow worldview. That's messed up buddy. If someone needs to repress something, it's you and your outdated discriminatory fantasies. You need to learn how to derive some self-esteem other than just being normal. By climbing over other peoples faces for being different from you, you just express that there is nothing else to you, that your entire self-worth is based on being average. While you hurt the people you discriminate against, you are your own first victim, because your state of mind can be considered a form of imprisonment.

Vegan

totally vegan said...

{{This is cool and all but, if you have a uterus you are a woman.}}

Uh, all humans have an uterus. In men it's called a prostate which is a degenerated uterus, just as male nipples are not only there for decoration, all men have fully functional milk ducts. The penis essentially is a collapsed vagina, and the testicles a variant of the ovaries.

All humans are female. And of this ONE GENDER, many variants exist, one of the larger variants is the male which is most prominent, because of their sheer numbers. Intersexuals are another group which form a variant of the female.

Primarily, your brain is the organ which decides what gender you are, because that's where your indentity happens. No if someones identity is male, and he changes his sex to fit the gender, what matters are not his organs but his personality and self-image. It's not your job to define other peoples identity. If you think it is, you are the one who need psychological assistance.

It's understandable. Yesterday all was OK, and now you're waking up to the fact that all humans are Lesbians. Isn't reality just shocking:-)))

BTW, it gets worse still: Your thyroid gland in your throat, do you know what that is a remnant of? Gills. It stayed in our body from when were still fish.

Anonymous said...

Vegan, LOL that's an absolute claptrap!.. Contrary to what you just said is defining one scientific track minded. Anything based might have something to do for the sake of SCIENCE, but Generations that we become developed a higher learning comprising ourselves as HUMAN not formerly fish, monkey or hermaphrodite as clearly as you stated in your scientific study. That's fucked-up!....


I love eating fish once in a while, so in your point of view. That's some sort of cannibalism eating our formerly brother's and sister's too huh?............ You said "This distortion of "theory", the deliberate twisting of the meaning of scientific theory to violate truth is a very bad introduction to debate (with me), because you, based on that premise, allow me to disregard anything you say as irrelevant......... .....I would see that as your theory and I would even more concern your worldview NOW as a human being. Im quite sure you been taught other than science as you fully accomplished all others related scientifically or should I say? " your ONLY fantasy".

I have no problem using my universal fluid of context as I embraced and accomodate all possibility not just SCIENCE but most importantly > In RELIGION's aspects. You see! you maybe right having THOM as scientific proof of your analogy and fantazy, but to some degree religiously? it's sign of DISRESPECT. however, your narrow apprehension of this matter is the obvious neither I can discribe nor shall I consider your capability of understanding of what your referring almighty easterbunny?
Excuse me for objecting you saying empathy (religious word) over retardation (science word) expressing a BIAS statement getting a point accross towards homosexuals of today, take note! (not formerly female homos, or your term >defective female). if I have to repress something even more than a self-esteem but neither you can persuade anyone the true meaning if you deliver this vocabulary but meant it scientifically. also you said "While you hurt the people you discriminate against"....People often hurt themeselves at their own expense, and translate it as> discrimination< from PEOPLE who stare..... get real! and come out of the closet yourself!

leo

totally vegan said...

> Vegan, LOL that's an absolute claptrap!.. Contrary to what you just said is
> defining one scientific track minded. Anything based might have something
> to do for the sake of SCIENCE, but Generations that we become developed a
> higher learning comprising ourselves as HUMAN not formerly fish, monkey or
> hermaphrodite as clearly as you stated in your scientific study. That's
> fucked-up!....

Say what? Slow down kid, slow down. Take a deep breath, relax. Formulate clear sentences which are not a paragraph long.

Now after reading that ramble a third time, I think what you are claiming, is that humans can acquire information, and therefore are different from other animals and intersexuals.

Duh.

Of course humans are different. Otherwise we'd not be humans but bonobo chimpanzees. That we are humans, however doesn't change the fact that our genetic history has links with other animals all the way back when different genders didn't even exist. Sharing a common genetic history with other lifeforms is not mutually exclusive from being human.

> I love eating fish once in a while, so in your point of view. That's some
> sort of cannibalism eating our formerly brother's and sister's too
> huh?............

Genetics is not a valid criterion for the recognition of ethical rights. We share about 60% of our genes with bananas, so eating bananas would be, if your distortionist reduction applied, 60% cannibalism. When deciding what is ok to eat and what not, genetics can not be a guidance, because the question of what to eat or not is a question of ethics.

Now I realize that you merely trying to smear me as mad, because you have no valid defense, you know this, so you try to discredit me as kookie. But I forgive you:-) I harbor no ill feelings against you, because I know you are just confused and looking for orientation in the ways and methods available to you. So I continue to take you serious and respond as if nothing had happened.

The reason why eating fish is wrong, is because fishes have ethical rights. Ethical rights are not of religious nature, but rational. We know fishes and other animals, from mammals like humans to spiders, have abilities and properties like a central nervous system, ganglion, feeling of pain, escaping behavior, a will to live, conscious sexual selection to name a few. Because animals have these abilities and properties, and because humans can easily sustain themselves with a vegan lifestyle and be healthy if done right, any use of an animal whatsover is an avoidable ethical violation. We are, as you rightfully observed, humans capable of higher learning, we can practice agriculture and grow vegan foods. That's why using other animals in whatever form is, for humans, a disgusting act.

Sharks can not grow vegan cupcakes. So for sharks to eat other fish, or humans is tragic but unavoidable. Well you can avoid being eaten by a shark by not swimming in an ocean. For humans, eating other animals is _completely_ avoidable, *because* we are capable of higher learning as you put it. So you unintentionally answered your own question.

The human requirement to adopt a vegan lifestyle, instead of just vegetarian, happened in the 1950's. That's when Vitamin B12 was discovered to be produced by bacteria. Since you can ferment B12 easily, you are not required to eat animal substances which contain B12 from bacteria in the animal. (The B12 in cow milk for example comes from the stomach bacteria.)


> > "This distortion of "theory", the deliberate
> > twisting of the meaning of scientific theory to violate truth is a very
> > bad introduction to debate (with me), because you, based on that premise,
> > allow me to disregard anything you say as irrelevant.

> I would see
> that as your theory and I would even more concern your worldview NOW as a
> human being. Im quite sure you been taught other than science as you fully
> accomplished all others related scientifically or should I say? " your ONLY
> fantasy".

This sentence makes absolutely no sense to me. If you wish to communicate, you must learn not to speak in tones. If you have some sort of communicative disability I apologize and will try hard to understand, even though English happens to be not my primary language.

> I have no problem using my universal fluid of context as I embraced and
> accomodate all possibility not just SCIENCE but most importantly > In
> RELIGION's aspects.

Well religion is not a proven concept, it's an accumulation of fantasies and personally I'm only interested in facts. Now for facts, science is the only authority, and you have every right to deny that or reject that for yourself. But don't be surprise if people don't share your sentiment of the deliberate mixing of facts and religious nonsense. I'm an atheist, to me, the concept of god and religion is a socially transmissible mental illness.

So when you assert that because you're mixing facts with fiction, your view is more superior I can only chuckle or at best, pity you for your ignorance.

> You see! you maybe right having THOM as scientific
> proof of your analogy and fantazy, but to some degree religiously?

You still haven't read up on the meaning of scientific theory, have you? This I find irritating. I'm honestly investing time and energy trying to help you actually live up to your claim of humanity by assisting you in higher learning, and you return the favor by insisting on your ignorance.

You have no idea what you are missing. Clarity is so much more powerful than delusion. Whoever told that ignorance is bliss was lying to you.

> it's
> sign of DISRESPECT.

No, confronting nonsense is not a sign of disrespect. It's just that: confronting nonsense. It's something which would need to happen much more often, especially on the internet which is the dreamworld of the nonsense spinners.

> however, your narrow apprehension of this matter

Facts are not a narrow apprehension, they are just that, facts. Mixing facts with fiction and selling that as a higher truth, whoa, now that's what I would call a narrow comprehension.

> is the
> obvious neither I can discribe nor shall I consider your capability of
> understanding of what your referring almighty easterbunny?

I use the almighty easterbunny because the religious people have not agreed upon who's the real boss. There are so many gods flying around, and so little time. By using the almighty easterbunny, I actually use the least offensive term, because as far as I know the easterbunny is not claimed to be a god by any religion. Yet. It may still come, then I'll use another synonym, as to not offend the believers of the almighty easterbunny.

> Excuse me for
> objecting you saying empathy (religious word)

Uh, empathy according to the merriam webster dictionary is "the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for empathy"

Not even a hint of religion. See, in the real world mixing up facts and your internal fictional view of the world does not work. *shrug*

> over retardation (science
> word) expressing a BIAS statement getting a point accross towards
> homosexuals of today, take note! (not formerly female homos, or your term
> >defective female).

Um, I said "evolutionary defective female", not defective female. Very important difference, context matters. Especially since it was a polemic response consciously intended to provoke. Also, you should really delve into some gender science before you publish your own internal theses. It's a very new field which hasn't concluded on much, but what conclusions exist far outweigh your own internal fantasies and ponderings regarding the subject.

You should learn the categories, start with something simple, like transsexual and cissexual.

>if I have to repress something even more than a
> self-esteem but neither you can persuade anyone the true meaning if you
> deliver this vocabulary but meant it scientifically.

My intention here is not to deliver a scientific thesis which has already been done by people potentially much smarter than me. My intention here was nothing but confronting and objecting to the usual psychological reflexes of the ethically retarded, busy, once more, butchering someone with words. A lot of mind filth has been poured into this thread, at the expense of people who dare to be different from the mindless mob.

It's important for us sane ones to stick our head out once in a while and hold the mirror up, so the real filthy can see their inner uglyness.

That's it really. Y'all have a nice life. Go vegan. SCNR.

Anonymous said...

QUOTE:> "The reason why eating fish is wrong, is because fishes have ethical rights. Ethical rights are not of religious nature, but rational. We know fishes and other animals, from mammals like humans to spiders, have abilities and properties like a central nervous system, ganglion, feeling of pain, escaping behavior, a will to live, conscious sexual selection to name a few. Because animals have these abilities and properties, and because humans can easily sustain themselves with a vegan lifestyle and be healthy if done right.


WHAT THE HELL!! LOL LOL LOL IF FISH AND OTHER MAMMALS HAVE ETHICAL RIGHTS. I THOUGHT SCIENCE INCLUDED THE ENTIRE PLANTS KINGDOM AS LIVING SCIENCE? NOW SUSTAINING YOUR VEGAN LIFESTYLE? SO PLANTS JUST POP UP EVERYWHERE APPROPRIATE IN YOUR SCIENCE DELUSIONS INTENDED EXCLUSIVELY FOR ATHEIST CONSUMPTIONS? IT'S MORE LIKE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY EAT A WHOLE POTATO, BUT WILL CONSIDER A MASHED-POTATO SORT OF THING? LOL LOL LOL LOL ARE U AN HYPHOCHRITE?


AND THESE:>Sharks can not grow vegan cupcakes. So for sharks to eat other fish, or humans is tragic but unavoidable
But don't be surprise if people don't share your sentiment of the deliberate mixing of facts and religious nonsense. I'm an atheist, to me, the concept of god and religion is a socially transmissible mental illness.

I DON'T QUITE SENSE YOU TALKING SENTIMENTS MUCH LESS ADDRESS TO GENERAL PUBLIC AS IF ALL PEOPLE SHARING SAME COLD BLOODED ATHEIST THAT YOU ARE, EITHER YOU'RE A FLIP-FLOP OR JUST DIDN'T HAD SEX FOR A LONG TIME... LOL LOL LOL!. SO WHAT IS ATHEIST? ISNT' THAT A FORM OF BELIEF? A RELIGION? OR IS IT INDEED TRULY SCIENCE FICTION?


QUOTE:>"It's important for us sane ones to stick our head out once in a while and hold the mirror up, so the real filthy can see their inner uglyness".

I THOUGHT YOU HAVE SCIENCE ONLY AS YOUR AUTHORITY?, WHAT PART IN SCIENCE CAN PROVE AVAILABLE US SEE'S SOMEONE'S UGLINESS? DID YOU SAY MIRROR??????
NO OFFENSE VEGAN BUT I THINK, YOU ARE SCHIZOPHRENIC ATHEIST. AND THAT'S A SCIENCE FACT.

LEO

Anonymous said...

VEGAN,There are others you wrote that are quite stunned the heck out of me to which I can't contain myself from laughing and would like to address them now If I may.

you keep saying that we were once a fish, what type of fish that we are? Cause most fish I learned in science has short term lifespan and there's no instinct to any of what you said or any transformation relatively to anything before they die. But unaware yourself saying that of course humans are different but bonobo chimpanzees? don't you sense a litle contradictory here? Let's go back to the fish as humans, that our thyroid glands in everyones throat is a remnants of gills?.. I been swimming all my life and once wished with my psychotic and it has been my illness to breath under water. if we have those type of tendencies from evolutionary facts that you told, why I didn't adapt myself breathing under water atleast as a remnants of my being? And if your careful enough with your reviews and statistics, Not all humans loves water much less learn how to swim. Interestingly enough, you said Clarity is so much more powerful than delusion. As if human did generally passed this informations from the A.D. Didn't I just tell you earlier that Science from EVOLUTION is just myths thru science itself? Under the minds of skeptic scientist, who are now in todays generations what called- ATHEIST?

Alternatively, i guessed im grateful RELIGION came handy as comfort cause ATHEIST scientist failed their science facts as well. Atleast that's my religion's point of view. There are formed to various category due to our races but i honor the legibility existence even to my conscience explorations further as we achieve. Not necessarily your theorotical "blast from the past". Its a strong belief above no science can measure. it requires no analogy neither theory. Evolutions is science dead subject, Religion is continous imaginary achivements of science today. Faith, endurance, patience. These are true qualities on human science can't uncover. if you don't posses neither of those and remain the remnants of science you deluted yourself. then stay in the bottle. I can respect that. LOL

LEO

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why all women are so thrilled at the though of men carrying their children. You're idiots, being pregnant is an amazing thing and I wouldn't give it up for anything in the world.
Second of all, to the "big-hearted" people who don't judge anyone and who support all freaks: we are all entitled to our own opinion. And we DO have a right to judge and disagree since this slowly defines the world we live in, and these things affect us as well even if they seem so remote. The guy/girl went public with this story so he/she's practically begging us to state an opinion. If these sort of people want to be "accepted", maybe they shouldn't advertise their "differences" in this almost offensive matter.
This is not the world I want to live in, and no matter what bullshit theory you come up with, this is NEITHER NORMAL, NOR HEALTHY!\

M.

Anonymous said...

Proof of the end times my friends. I refuse to debate with people on these subjects. Although I would not support such a choice, I want to speak to those who agree with me-this IS wrong. BUT will comdemning this couple and those that agree with them, and calling them idiots change anything? It proves a great immaturity. Simply speak truth. I'm not trying to sound all mystical and creepy here...but this was prophesied so many years ago. Read the account of sodom and gamora, God DESTROYED the ENTIRE city because the men were sleeping together! Can you imagine? Did you know that the same exact things happening in our society today are the same things that happened right before God flooded the earth? It's happening again! haha We just can't seem to learn, can we? Though God promised He would never flood the earth again, There will be judgment. He is coming back-Soon. How do I know? Read 2Timothy 3. Or Daniel 12.
Not only is there proof of His return in matters such as this, but also politically. I challenge you to research biblical prophecy and todays happenings. All over the world, with Russia, Israel, Africa...It's all there. I'm telling you, If you're one that likes to be prepared for the future, check out the Bible, it tells you flat out everything that's going to happen. Don't believe it's true? There's already been proof. People talk about being scientific. Facts, and proof. what we can see and feel. The Bible is the most scientific book you'll ever read! Read Job. It should be subtitled science!

Every question you could ever ask can be answered in the Bible. I don't speak lightly. Try it.

Sorry I got off onto this tangent...but it really does all go together. Anyway, I pray you all find truth In Jesus Christ. He is the only way...and there isn't one person on earth, even this couple, that I want to see left behind when jesus comes back for his children. Without Him, every possible pain or tradjedy you've ever experienced in your life-that's what hell will be like. Not just burning...

Anonymous said...

I hope any comments concerning truth, concerning the truth of God will be posted. If you're afraid of offending someone, trust me, it's all ready happened. So why not be unbiased and abide by our founding fathers law-freedom of speech. freedom of expression. Whether it's right or wrong to you isn't the point really...although this is a private sight and you hold the rights to refuse to post, let it be posted and really get some traffic flow on this site huh? =) have a happy day

Anonymous said...

He/She is not a natural born male, though it all ends up some attention which they needed to take, well succeeded.

Kate said...

Thomas isnt even a male, "he" was a goddamn woman! so thomas is deffinately not the first "man" on the planet to give birth because it isnt possible and never will be, these things are unnatural, people like thomas are ruining the natural aspects of life and esp by falling pregnant after having a sex change. I believe its just disgusting. People have no values for the natural ways of life, its really ashame its so unnatural

Anonymous said...

no wonder most humans will burn in hell

Anonymous said...

poor baby :(

Anonymous said...

erm..lots of guys having big belly..so like ..who cares ..u(guy woman..whatever) can still get pregnant without people noticing that u are a transgender..right??

Anonymous said...

well, i wish you a wonderful and happy time with your baby, and you dont need to care about what other people say...also, congratualtions!!

good luck!!!

Jay said...

that kids is going to be so confused when it grows up

Anonymous said...

wow...this is crazy! i think if we were made a certain way, we should stay that way, cuz if u dont, its just basically slappin God in the face, and u wouldnt wanna do THAT, now wuld u??

Anonymous said...

Yea, i agree, this women just wanted some atention and went to an extreme to get it, and with this person being a woman this is nothing to get over excited about. When this person went on the Oprah show, it was really dumb that she was amazed by it acting like she totaly forgot it was a women with a penis

Anonymous said...

First, what qualifies this person as a male? Apparently not anatomy nor chemistry (both of these had to be medically altered) and presumably not genetics (at least I hope not for the kid's sake, high school biology should make that obvious). Only psychology is left -she imagines she is a man. Science does the rest.

So fine, I want to rediscover my inner dog. I thought I was a dog when I was eight but was told to "grow up". I've been in denial up to now. So I started taking canine hormones and go in for reconstructive surgery to add a tail.

Please call me Fido from now on. It is my moral right and you have to respect it, that's what I decided on the behalf of society. My individual lifestyle choices should be accepted by everyone, especially you. Live and let live, I say. Oh, by the way, your morals shouldn't be accepted. At least not by anyone as rarely divinely enlightened like myself. What? You still think I am an idiot? How dare you! By the way, I think you are an idiot for thinking that I am an idiot, but I forgive you so it is ok, at least for me since you haven't repented yet.

Oh wait! Kids are great... I'd like to have a kid now. Only problem is that it is not working out with my zoophile spouse. Something about biological compatibility and all of the canine hormones I've been taking. But apparently in some Cuban clinic I can get inseminated by an anonymous Great Dane then through gene therapy have it mutated to a human child. Don't give me that "not natural" crap. As long as it comes out the same, what's the difference really?

It will be a broadening experience, a loving, healthy lifestyle for everyone. And comparatively it is much better than some dingy crack ghetto. It must be ok then. There are kids dying in Darfur! Stop staring at my flea collar. Oh, and your kids can come over too! Won't that be great? I'll make your kids biscuits, we'll play fetch together, sniff butts. What? Your kids are "busy" this afternoon? Again? I think you have "issues".

----
A lot of mind filth has been poured into this thread, at the expense of people like myself who dare to be different from the mindless pack.

It's important for us sane ones to stick our muzzle out once in a while and hold the carnival mirror up, so the real filthy can see their inner uglyness.

Anonymous said...

ABOVE ANONYMOUS! i guess that case, your case! you find your world where this tradition is accepted. Cause this FILTH is nowhere to be found NOT even in our TRASH. Unless you accepted that gay community are half pschycopath or atheist, then feel-free to call us mindless and save yourselves thru your own science. Alternatively, you have no choice but living in science. it's just too bad, a bottle of chlorine can't dance with you on this one.

Did you watch the VP debate tonight? well, I regret to tell you but it seems gay marriage has no chance of support of our world leaders today on both democratic and republicans and thats sad! My opinion, I felt thesame way too, You see! if you're homosexual with issues, look in the mirror why some gays scientifically attracted with same sex? (bet you can't explain that! lol not even thru science....DO YOU EXPECT US, YOU TO REMIND US WHAT'S SANE? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR GAY MIND?

leo

Anonymous said...

I'm just thinking..if this man decides to be a woman-whatever makes you tick. I think it is quite cool (even if a little bit strange) that this man(sorta) is carrying the baby! FOR ONCE THE MAN IS TAKING IT WOO!! he's like her seahorse. Anyway, if this man wants to do this, then we shouldnt critise. No matter what he does. My dad'd cousin is gay and married, and he has a really happy (IVF btw)little boy. So i think that if people want to have their opinion, fine but if its insulting, and prejdudice it is wrong.

L

Anonymous said...

For all of you who are bitching that God is gonna send these two loving people to hell for what they did, you yourselves can go to Hell. Wasn't it He who taught us to love one another? Or can you only love and tolerate someone if they have the same beliefs as you. Such things are between them and whatever god they believe in, you have no right to judge them based on what you believe. There are plenty straight couples out there who have kids they don't even want, so leave these two alone. Besides, would you rather stand infront of them at the grocery store or a homicial manaic? If you consider these two as disgusting sinning filth who defy God then you really haven't seen the true horrors of this world.

Anonymous said...

True, no sin is bigger than love itself. However, this isn't love! It's their LUST went overboard this matter where love no longer match the issue to pursue covering the stain causes our disbelief. Tolerance are to those who are naive to the story but other's who can't are simply the sane and aware. Cant judge us any worst while sitting in the audience can you? This is now a MORAL side of the story in human history. which is god has no control when he gave us full functional brain making those decisions. When you made a bad decision, it's now up to you to take those consequences but Pls be responsible on your actions. Leave god or love out of this. This is an issue and example of bad judgement no any better than GEORGE W. BUSH

leo

Anonymous said...

"You filthy pieces of s**t.
THat thing that says it's a woman and it's partner shall suffer eternity in hell also.
I hope you enjoy it then, when you are being burned for eternity.:) "



This is a post from a person preaching about peace, love, forgiveness and the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus is a good man. And good Christians and others of their own religion are good people, but the person that posted THAT is what is wrong with the world.

People that spout hate, that kill, and that destroy the good feelings and love in this world are the ones that will be judged harshly in the end. They are the one's ruining lives, and only talking instead of living.

I hope when that person stands before their god, that you remember this comment and the other thousands of anonymous hate filled and disgusting things you have said and done.

Sherri said...

I'm a lesbian.. What's wrong with just being a lesbian? Why do have to take it so far? But, if you do feel compelled to live as a man, then do that. Men don't have babies. Period. So, if you have a baby, you're not really a man. It's not rocket science.

Anonymous said...

what a crap? People are reaching out of limits and creating their own face out of it. Very sad that people are degraded to such an extent that the whole mechanism of man and woman is being treated insanely. No wonder why still religious groups exist just to suppress these stupid acts.
But of course these religious groups are not anymore accountable.

Anonymous said...

if you prefer total diversity,tolerable with one another or group where there's no such thing as stupid or immoral?. THEN LIVE WITH THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. no HUMAN will ever judge your actions!

Leo

Anonymous said...

i dont understand da ppl who r criticising dis couple? i mean who da fuck r u to judge, so wat if hes transgender its his choice! so wat if hes pregnent. its not like hes giving birth 2 an alien...is it not better 2 raise a child in a loving family? its up 2 da child if she wants 2 accept his family wen she's older. wat is normality anyways who has da rit to define it? wat wasnt normal 20 yrs ago is seemed as very normal now!

Anonymous said...

Just like your impression from reading is lack of comprehension the difference bet criticism and opinionated. Here we are to unfuck those judgement. Transgender is a transgender, didn't you just said it? When you excercized those rights,if a transgender wish for itself in accordance to their personality as they went through counseling prior to the procedure, you have to honor your transformation line by line in order to gain respect since not all people around you felt your complexity nonstopable when you given freedom to do so, expressing your real gender that lead you to the transformation in the first place. That doesn't mean you have every right to revoke yourself simply because you came back to the EARTH for a while and decided to conceived a child. Like all other natural born men and women out there (demeaning) living for themeselves and DECIDE re-formation whenever you missed out something and to your own convenience and personal satisfaction, getting pregnant for god's sake while every bit of pubic already proceeded all over your face. do you call this NORMAL? And you still have the nerve asking who has the right to define it? I don't know about you but I personally didn't waste my time from school learning (ethics) against all others failure (homo individual ) to their choosing in life and let be somebody's else's problem absorbing all efforts dealing beyond immorality depending how anybody's reactions and tolerance to having whether exibits to this behaviour or not, I just felt same sense " what's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong". Knowing the difference of two separately is what NORMAL. but twisting a wrongdoing out of your so-called love and affection DO NOT justify dignity or tolerance TRUING that attempt. It wouldn't make no difference.

Thomas Beaty is like a kind of fashion I wouldn't wanna wear!, not for me and certainly not the world. One day you will be a remnant, doomed to be remember like the dinosaurs. DISGUSTING!


leo

Polly said...

Wow, Leo, you're really dedicated to your xenophobia to keep returning hear for nearly half a year.

Now, personally, I'd be happier if they would have adopted as there are already too many kids in this world, and so many are left without decent homes, but honestly, what business is it of ours what their origins are if they can provide a stable and loving home for their daughter.

To all of you self-appointed Christian judges, you might want to take the time to actually read your Bibles and realize that it is not your place or right to do so.

Hate has no place in the life of a true Christian.

But it is common to hate that which we fear, and we often fear that which we do not understand. And it is always easier to go directly to fear rather than take the effort required for even rudimentary understanding.

Anonymous said...

Polly!...LOL dedicated? xenophobia? You may try "concern individual". When you spill your business to the public, I don't think anybody can direct anybody how or what, cause it's no longer your own, it's EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS!.....You can object something I said against your understanding but the moral lesson to all these statements, is to let no one take this chance ever again.

You're not the only one who identifies the bible over this thread to which you concluded HATE was the prime reason. If I tell you the truth, you were wrong and better yet not read the bible at all without your Pastor presence if the parrables misleading you. It can be tricky! Life as it is to those individual who usually claims "seen the light" often committed a crime. Especially to some clergy or members of the church itself. Am I right or wrong? child moslestation?

I can't possibly begin to hate someone I don't know, I can disagree or agree when you choose to advertize it. Understanding is a life experience, but I fear for someone who fall and derrailed. I love all the rest who can grasp a message. Instead, I thanked thomas beatty for the lesson should everyone not to be misguided from. Love is sacred, don't be blinded by your feelings alone or else you defy the meaning.

leo

Anonymous said...

This legally is a man, but bilogically it will carry the DNA of a mother, and the DNA of the man donor. So I don't care what the court calls a woman or a man, scientifically this is a woman, if she want to call herself a man, well than she should consider that men create sperm every day. To create it reqires a male donor and a female egg, that is what we call creating life. Reality if you have uterus nad fillopian tubes you are a women. Transgender changes don't matter, you just become an [IT] externally, but your DNA will never lie, you are still what ever you were born as.

Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have the day they are born. Men can create sperm every day, and are capable of fathering up tot he day they die. Women generally stop reproducing in their 40's. Some how a woman's light burns out quicker than a mans.

DNA does not lie, her DNA says shes a woman and she has the plumbing of a woman, So in the scientific sense of the word a woman gave birth, NOT A MAN.

As they say, "You can take the lipstick off a pig, its still a pig." LOL.

Anonymous said...

That's true too! however if u came here to SHARE about DNA and scientific facts weren't you the only one insisted in the beginning. DNA is ONE THING, BUT THE ATTEMPTED LIFESTYLE IS TOTAL ANOTHER and it's no longer the FOCUS or issue when the image who gave birth was total vomination of all mothers.

Speaking of lipstick, As long anyone awares to where how lipstick is being use, feel-free! animal or otherwise. But don't justify the freedom of use is as rightful into motherhood. You know WHO YOU ARE!

LEO

Anonymous said...

I consider myself a liberal, I can respect the fact that people want to lives their lives as they choose to. I can respect that people should be able to marry who they want and love who they love. However, I am also a scientist who believes that although humans can find a way to manipulate our natural systems it is not necessarily right. As far as I'm concerned, this person has the right to be any gender they choose to, Psychologically. If they want to superficially change their sex physically that's fine too. If this couple wants to give a loving home to a child in need, that is honorable and wonderful. However, my personal beliefs are such that if you cannot naturally create a child, between yours and your partners gametes then you are not biologically "fit" and should not be able to technologically reproduce with that person or incorporate others gametes to do so. This planet is populated to near capacity without our manipulating natural systems of reproduction. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt because that would remove you from the gene pool but I believe that that is the choice you make and/or the fate you are given when you are infertile or homosexual.

Anonymous said...

I personally have nothing against the couple, as a human I do understand human pain and soffering,in any color, shape, or form. However, I do believe that nature makes things in a certain way for a reason. Perhaps it is in the normal paradigm of nature, that some people are born gay, some lesbians, other transgenders and ermaphrodites; but just as they are born in that way, they also have limits like heterosexuals. Everyone in this post looks at this couple as victims of a society that is discriminating against them and they are all wrong. The real victim of this couple's egoism will be their kid. He will be so confused about gender for all his life. He will naturally look for his mother not knowing that his real mother is his father. And he will always live his life knowing (even worse not to know) that one of his real parents is not with him. All of this problems and pain because, two individuals wanted to cheat nature and do things their own way. If they really loved this child, would that create all this problems for him/her? As wee see, to them, this child is more of a pleasure like having a puppy. Inside their psyche they don't feel normal themself, and this child is only there to make them feel like a normal family. Why do we have to be so extremist on everything?

Anonymous said...

This person was born a woman and is still a woman no matter how many hormones she takes or the number of surgeries that she has had. It amazes me the number of people that think this is OK! What has this country come to to accept such selfishness? I don't hate this woman, I feel pity for her but I feel more pity for the child.
Hate does not have a place in the heart of a Christian but there is nothing wrong with stating what is right and what is wrong. Why do people alway say a Christian is judging someone when we state our opinion on the rightness or wrongness of a situation but they can spout their own hatred and "judgmental" attitude about the Christian faith?
I neither hate nor fear this woman and I certainly don't understand what's going on in her head.
Obviously she had "womanly" feelings when she decided to carry a baby. She must not have hated being a woman that much to keep her female reproductive system intact.
I wonder how much money she has made off of her story?

Anonymous said...

Womanly feelings? Absolutely not! CONFUSED is more likely. if indeed, any homosexuals acknowledge the fact that you were born trapped in someone else's body and went this extremes to pursuing THIS image, forsaking THAT feeling they claim would make them happy. Then, There's no REASON left leaving any traces of their being, genitals especially to be going back when it suits YOU!... It takes a LOTS OF SACRIFICES to even begin defining > LOVE, You are willing to die for someone OUT OF LOVE!....You just don't go to OPRAH WINFREY looking like above, you have lots of love and you should get same respect above on every level with all other humanly admiring MOTHERS. Motherly LOVE can't compare THE love thomas claims over talks shows... In my eyes? She always be this "QUARANTINE mother" of all nature where she should be, I only wonder why nobody warrant her arrest yet. She should be in JAIL!......

leo

Anonymous said...

Amen to the person above me. Society has become sick, doing whatever it is they please. This society has removed God from everything (schools and even governments trying to do away the word God). Us Christians are being looked at as criminals for stating what is wrong and right accord to God's Holy word. It's ok though, everybody needs to come back to God and pray and change the way things are in society, because God is going to pour his wrath over this world because of our wickedness. Jesus loves you all and even that woman who tried to become a man, but isn't. Jesus will forgive you of all your sins, no matter what is, and will give you eternal life if you shall call upon the name of the Lord and receive Jesus into your heart as your Lord and Savior. Lord please have mercy on us humans.

Furry said...

1. Well, what actually defines a person is their genes, XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes, so she is still a girl

2. I don't agree with what she did, mainly because of what the child will have to go through.

Think about it - let's say it isn't wrong to do what Thomas Beatie did - but whatever you do - society will never fully agree.

Imagine you grew up as that child - it definitely wouldn't be a normal life. They can get lots of psychological issues, you would never feel a like 'normal person'. People who know the child's situation would definitely respond differently to them.

3. Think about what people always say about humans destroying and not keeping in tune with the natural environment (destructions of rainforests etc)

Isn't this taking it to another level? I personally believe we have no right to do animal testing - it's not our responsibility to do this - fulfilling our own desire for a child that will eventually suffer in some way due to this.

Like in Spiderman - with great power comes great responsibilty - we shouldn't be using our power for this.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry for the children who can't have a normal childhood, no matter what reason. Some parents are violent and abusive, other ignorant,... and some are very very sick :/ But it's the way it has always been, I guess.

Anonymous said...

excuse my french but thats bulls**t. It's not the worlds first prego man. Shes just a messsed up chick with isses. How can you legally be a man if your runnin round here with a cooch? That's like sayin i put clothes on puppy call her human then am surprised when she has puppies? O what your still a dog? Yea no chick you are still a woman with facial hair. And thats' gonna be one mentally confused kid poor baby

Anonymous said...

America's morals are out the window. A woman turning herself into a man and then having a baby is the most hypocritical thing ive ever heard. How retarded do you have to be to do that. This woman did not need to have a baby she needed and needs mental help. That's like a man turning into a woman and getting another woman prego does that make any sense?

I feel so sad for her little girl she's gonna grow up resenting her mom yes mom not dad because dads can't have babies? Jeese people even rats know better

Anonymous said...

What kinda nation do we really live in? Im afraid for our children. THIS is just wrong on so many levels. ok so you were born into the wrong body and all that garbage fine. Ima christian and don't agree with this kinda lifestyle but to each his own. sin is sin. Im not God Ive got my own sins so I cant throw the first stone. But If youre gonna make the permenemt decsion to be a man then be a man don't be flip floppin when it suits your needs.........

Anonymous said...

Ffs, "first male to get pregnant". Shes a bloody woman. Just because she got some plastic shit put over her face to make her look like a man doesn't change the fact that shes a woman. Anything for media attention these days

Anonymous said...

im sorry but seriously you"ll always be a woman whether you like it or not you can change the past thats like putting clothes on a puppy and calling it a human?? seriously idk whats wrong with people these days they try so hard to try to be something there not and in my opinion if you still have a cooch then sorry but still a woman with facial hair ...i mean yah watever go ahead be gay but like why go through all the trouble to do this knowing all your friends and family have always known you as a girl.. i guess you can change how you look butt youll always sound like a girl nd have baby girl pictures... 4 real

Anonymous said...

that guy isnt a man.
he is a woman.
if you have a vagina you are female.

Anonymous said...

In order for Thomas Beatie (aka Tracy LaGondino) to become a real man, he (or she) should have his (or her) reproductive organ entirely removed (or mutilated). Sometimes I wish he (or she) would change back into a woman that she (rather than he) really is. As long as that individual has a vagina, she will never be a he!

Anonymous said...

Gender: male

SEX: female.

This person isn't a man. She is still a woman. He got his gender changed, not his sex. You can't change your sex because you can't change your chromosomes. That's just basic Genetics.

Secondly, I find this disturbing. Very disturbing. I'm find with people being gay and having gay marriages, but i'm not ok with gender changes. I'm ESPECIALLY not okay with this.

Anonymous said...

my stance on this is in no way related to my religion i dont care how much you say IT is a man IT is not i dont care if IT has been legally declared male IT has a VAGINA and the last time i checked men have penises IT is in no way a man IT is exactly the same as a woman with breast cancer that had to have both her breasts removed IT is not a man fuck you go get ass pounded

Anonymous said...

Who are we to say what's "normal" and what isn't? I don't find this disturbing at all but rather I applaud them for being brave and confronting the media. As long as they can support this child and give the baby the best care then that's all that really matters. People need to grow up and stop bashing on someone's family that is different. Their family seems very loving and that's all you need. Humans are to quick to judge one another and it makes me sick that their are people who act absurdly. Who really cares that he was born a she? If that's what he feels then let it be! Is he really hurting anyone?? Some people need to broaden their horizons and see what the meaning of family is really about. It's all about love, nurture, care, protection and if they are able to provide that then that's the most important part.

Anonymous said...

1.)Quote:"Who are we to say what's "normal" and what isn't? I don't find this disturbing at all but rather I applaud them for being brave and confronting the media.> I THINK, THE TRUTH IS: CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING EXCEPT, LOOKING SOMEONE ELSE IF SERVES YOU A GREATER IMPACT OR SENSITIVITY WHO YOU ARE APPLAUDING TO? BRAVERY IS NOT HOW YOU CONFRONT THE ISSUE BUT HOW YOU PUT OTHER'S ABOVE YOU. ESPECIALLY IN DEALING LOVE FOR CHILDREN. YOU DON'T PUT THEM AT STAKE JUST BECAUSE IT FEELS RIGHT FOR YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


2.)Quote:"As long as they can support this child and give the baby the best care then that's all that really matters. People need to grow up and stop bashing on someone's family that is different".>> HELLO!!! DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF? YOU SAID DIFFERENT? EXACTLY MY POINT. I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY MY PARENTS, DON'T WE ALL? AND NOT THAT NEEDS TO BE BRAGG ABOUT. I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH GROWING UP AND I BELIEVE THAT'S EVEN BETTER FOR ME GROWING UP CAUSE I LEARNED TO ACHIEVED IT FOR MYSELF. NOT ONLY BECAUSE MY PARENTS HAPPINESS DIDN'T HAVE TO STRUGGLE TEACHING ME EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, CAUSE THE NORMALITY OF THE REASON.



3.)Quote: "Their family seems very loving and that's all you need".> YOU'RE A DEAD WRONG! I THINK YOUR FAMILY CAN TOLERATE YOU FOR BEING GAY OR LESBIAN BUT OUTSIDE ALONE, NONE OF YOUR FAMILY WILL BE THERE FOR YOU EVERY STRUGGLES. AND YOU BOUND TO KEEP IT ON YOUR OWN. IT TAKES MORE THAN EXPRESSIONS RECEIVING THE MEANING OF AFFECTION. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORKS BY SAYING. UNPREVENTEDLY, NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU WHAT YOU REALLY NEED OTHER THAN YOURSELF WITHIN.

4.)Quote: "Humans are to quick to judge one another and it makes me sick that their are people who act absurdly. Who really cares that he was born a she? If that's what he feels then let it be" > EITHER THIS IS AN OPINION BEARING TO WHAT YOU READ, IS HURTING YOU MORE THROUGH YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING. THAT'S ABSURD!..I AM PROUD WHO I AM AND I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE WHO DID CARE. NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS. BUT IT DID MATTER NOW THAT IM ABLE TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU.


5.)Quote: "Is he really hurting anyone"?? > NOPE AND I CERTAINLY NOT PROUD EITHER! OFTENTIMES, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, TAKE THIS AS A FORM OF HATE WHEN YOU OVERLOOK AT THE PERSON WHO ABUSED IT.


6.)Quote: "Some people need to broaden their horizons and see what the meaning of family is really about. It's all about love, nurture, care, protection and if they are able to provide that then that's the most important part".> ALTHOUGH, THIS IS A REDUNDANT PART OF WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I CAN STILL AMONG YOU THE "FAMILY" THAT YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN. YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR SOMEONE WHOM YOU SHARED LIVES WITH, TILL THEN! SHUT THE FUCK UP!...PERHAPS, I CAN BRING TO UNDERSTAND THIS MATTER INTO JUSTICE. QUARANTINE IN JAIL!!!!!!!

leo

Anonymous said...

1.)Quote:"Who are we to say what's "normal" and what isn't? I don't find this disturbing at all but rather I applaud them for being brave and confronting the media.> I THINK, THE TRUTH IS: CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING EXCEPT, LOOKING SOMEONE ELSE IF SERVES YOU A GREATER IMPACT OR SENSITIVITY WHO YOU ARE APPLAUDING TO? BRAVERY IS NOT HOW YOU CONFRONT THE ISSUE BUT HOW YOU PUT OTHER'S ABOVE YOU. ESPECIALLY IN DEALING LOVE FOR CHILDREN. YOU DON'T PUT THEM AT STAKE JUST BECAUSE IT FEELS RIGHT FOR YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


2.)Quote:"As long as they can support this child and give the baby the best care then that's all that really matters. People need to grow up and stop bashing on someone's family that is different".>> HELLO!!! DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF? YOU SAID DIFFERENT? EXACTLY MY POINT. I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY MY PARENTS, DON'T WE ALL? AND NOT THAT NEEDS TO BE BRAGG ABOUT. I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH GROWING UP AND I BELIEVE THAT'S EVEN BETTER FOR ME GROWING UP CAUSE I LEARNED TO ACHIEVED IT FOR MYSELF. NOT ONLY BECAUSE MY PARENTS HAPPINESS DIDN'T HAVE TO STRUGGLE TEACHING ME EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, CAUSE THE NORMALITY OF THE REASON.



3.)Quote: "Their family seems very loving and that's all you need".> YOU'RE A DEAD WRONG! I THINK YOUR FAMILY CAN TOLERATE YOU FOR BEING GAY OR LESBIAN BUT OUTSIDE ALONE, NONE OF YOUR FAMILY WILL BE THERE FOR YOU EVERY STRUGGLES. AND YOU BOUND TO KEEP IT ON YOUR OWN. IT TAKES MORE THAN EXPRESSIONS RECEIVING THE MEANING OF AFFECTION. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORKS BY SAYING. UNPREVENTEDLY, NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU WHAT YOU REALLY NEED OTHER THAN YOURSELF WITHIN.

4.)Quote: "Humans are to quick to judge one another and it makes me sick that their are people who act absurdly. Who really cares that he was born a she? If that's what he feels then let it be" > EITHER THIS IS AN OPINION BEARING TO WHAT YOU READ, IS HURTING YOU MORE THROUGH YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING. THAT'S ABSURD!..I AM PROUD WHO I AM AND I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE WHO DID CARE. NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS. BUT IT DID MATTER NOW THAT IM ABLE TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU.


5.)Quote: "Is he really hurting anyone"?? > NOPE AND I CERTAINLY NOT PROUD EITHER! OFTENTIMES, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, TAKE THIS AS A FORM OF HATE WHEN YOU OVERLOOK AT THE PERSON WHO ABUSED IT.


6.)Quote: "Some people need to broaden their horizons and see what the meaning of family is really about. It's all about love, nurture, care, protection and if they are able to provide that then that's the most important part".> ALTHOUGH, THIS IS A REDUNDANT PART OF WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I CAN STILL AMONG YOU THE "FAMILY" THAT YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN. YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR SOMEONE WHOM YOU SHARED LIVES WITH, TILL THEN! SHUT THE FUCK UP!...PERHAPS, I CAN BRING TO UNDERSTAND THIS MATTER INTO JUSTICE. QUARANTINE IN JAIL!!!!!!!

leo

Anonymous said...

In this thread, stupid people comment on things they don't know :D Par for the course.

Anonymous said...

Mainly because started with stupid gay marriages and to those invidual who insisted stupid gay rights in every stupid elements they insisted but would never ever recognized by constitution. except they've given chances only to shut em up! that's all. No matter how you slice it, those rights are not legit to accomodate by any means. No matter how many parades or rallies to be organize by homosexuality with extreme transitions that this cathostropic instance should not allow any further. The choice is yours. I have no room or tolerance for it....BEHAVE!!!!

leo

Anonymous said...

You guys can argue all day about what sex this person is, moral and ethical implications, etc. I'm just tired of seeing those hairy armpit poses, this couple has not done anything to stay out of the spotlight (multiple media interviews) so they are fair game for critisism.

Anonymous said...

this makes me just sick...whats wrong with people now a days.......this cant be healthy for "their" kids physically/ emotionally and spiritually..they need THE WORD OF GOD in their lives ..for real...... read the book of revelations than you'll know what i mean......

Anonymous said...

Fair game for criticsm? spotlight?..It's more likely as an AID's awareness, STD's, taboo or An incest to begin with. So, if anything from these origins are OKAY! in everything as an outcome. Then, you can call your own shots. Enjoy the fame, while you pay for the price.

leo

Benjamin said...

Alright...This "individual" is not a man. It is a woman, whom through surgery changed her appearance and now looks like a man. She regulates hormones through injections and pills. In no way, is this a natural thing. In MY opinion i think this is wrong. You should stay the way you God or for non-Christians Nature made you.

The testosterone injection during or before pregnancy...that just seems very harmful to the baby.

I think this child...is going to grow up with a few problems. The child wont really have a father. A father figure, but not a father. I know if I asked about my birth and i learned my father had me and he used to be a woman i would be fucked up for a long long time if not my entire life.

Its not effecting my life, and there is nothing i can do about it so there is no sense in making a big deal out of it.

I personally think that this individual as a woman was very mentally ill and went to some extreme measures. I have no problem with that, she is happy having the world look at her as a him.

My problem lies with the nation accepting her as a LEGAL male. It is not a persons decision male or female, your born that way. It is unchangeable. If you can have a baby and get back into the natural order of birth again, you are not a man. You will not really even think like a normal man either. The woman who is married to this "female accepted male" has to be one hell of a strong woman. Putting herself on the spot like that...

however ask yourself...if your girlfriend..or boyfriend who you love so much and mean the world to you, told you that they were originally the opp. sex they are now...what would you do? Hard question.

I do not think this individual should be encouraged as a true male, because they are not. No amount of artificial hormones, surgery, court cases, or praying will change that. Thats how you were born, female. And that is what you are.

I was fine with it up until that point and the child thing. I think having a child is wrong. Your bringing a child into the world, and setting them up for many problems. Its not natural. I would like to be able to interview this child when they grow up actually.

anyways...that is my opinion. I do not agree with this woman's decision to change her appearance, but i respect it. What ever makes her happy. I do not agree with two woman marrying each other, but under this twisted circumstance, i can accept that also (hard for me to say). I do not agree with or respect the fact that they are having a child, unless they can some how manage to raise them as a natural mother and father would. Yes this family will be better than some natural families, but i still think it isnt right. The biggest part that gets me is that the nation is accepting and acknowledge that she is a man. She isnt nor ever will be.

Look at it this way...if you looked like and acted like a woman but are a man, your still a man, same if you translate that person to the diff sex. Your changing appearance...not gender. Think about it.

Stop being such liberals. Think morally and how nature or God (you chose) would work. Seriously...its not right.

I "respect" this individual's decision to look like and act like a man, im happy they are happy with who they are, however i have issues with the child thing and the legal acknowledgment of her being a natural male.

Anonymous said...

Similar to what BENJAMIN just pointed out. The closest scenario a same sex relationship could ever raise a FAMILY is either with a DOG or a CAT. Love isn't an ORGASMIC outcome desire for a child, Money doesn't freed your conscience morally just because you think you can afford to raise one. or can even dare to re-produce even more of same process........ HOMOS, SAME SEX MARRIAGES, SEX RELATED IMAGES isn't that enough? My mind says ( embarassment ). What da hell! a copycat is a copycat. Anything fake isn't a good sign. get that insane out of your brains. don't take advantage for the goodness of a CHILD's affection like most of us had no idea how we were, growing up, I had no moments where my mom get to explain me something that she used to be a man except my dad went on labor. and I demand thesame RESPECT for every single child GIVEN birth in the whole world. Thomas needs a serious belt, with a plastic DILDO in electric chair.

leo

Anonymous said...

WOW

The posters in this blog have really just been going crazy on each other. If you actually read the blog itself, you'd clearly understand that it wasn't something they did lightly.

Also, whats the difference if Tom and Nancy were to adopt a child, instead of Tom giving birth? In both situations the child would be raised EXACTLY the same. They would love an adopted child as much as a birthed child. Why would someone else have to give birth and abandon their child, just so Tom and Nancy can have their own child? Thats really whats wrong. And to be honest, whats truly wrong with same sex couples? In my opinion, nothing. There all human beings with the same human nature. Who they are attracted to is their own opinion. Tom may be legally male, and genetically female, but who's to say that Tom and Nancy is going to hide that fact from their child? If it were me, Id keep it out in the open, let the child grow up with that fact so as to strengthen the child against this cruel world that we live in, with all the haters in it *cough*leo*cough*

Im not saying im perfect. To be honest, I despise my father. He was, and is, a terrible father, who cheats on his wife(thats how i have my third sister, whom i love as much as my other sisters), and doesnt know how to respect his children. He was given a choice, and he has chosen to not be involved in any way, shape, or form with me or my siblings whom he has fathered, save for my third sister, who still lives with him. This leaves me and my other two sisters without the love from our biological father, but I thank god that we have been blessed with a loving step father who actually knows how to be a loving father.

Just because someone is different than you, has different beliefs than you, does not give you the right to shun them, or condemn them.

Now speaking to you leo,
I read through most of your posts, and to me, you keep repeating the same things over and over again.
Love isnt the only thing to be involved in a relationship, but it is one of the iportant factors. What is important is to consider how the child will be raised up in life, and how it will be supported.
Just because same-sex relationships are different from male-female relationships (duh), doesnt mean they are any more right or wrong than the other. And whether you think Tom and Nancy's relationship is same-sex, or male-female, the child will grow up the same as any normal child would. I grew up without a father for a good part of my life and I seem to be doing alright. Hell, at the age of 3 (maybe 4) I was the man of the house until my mom met my step-dad. True, the child will probably have problems with friends and such, but isnt that true for EVERYBODY? I myself have ALWAYS had trouble with friends. Ive always been the one behind everybody else. But just because my biological parents were male-female does not make it 'normal' at all.
SO WHAT if the child wont grow up in a normal lifestyle? I didnt.
SO WHAT if the child will have some rough spots in life? I had more than my fair share. Does that mean Im not normal? No, it doesnt. Im just like any teenage kid that ive ever met. (I turn 18 in 2 months, just to put it out there)
Children DONT have to grow up in a normal lifestyle to have a good life. In reality, a lot of successful people werent brought up as snobby little, only child, rich kids.
I personally think that the more challenges that youre faced with, the stonger youll be in life when you overcome them. Unless you just give up, then your just going to be another failed nobody in this life.
So Congrats to Tom and Nancy for their choice to give birth, and that their child was born okay. Good luck on the second birth! Good luck also to both the firstborn and the unborn child. May good find its way to your family!

-Zach

Anonymous said...

ZACH Well listen! with your naived 18 years old. I can speak highly for what I am or how I had become. Perhaps you read all my posts but your Illegibility of understanding didn't reflect a deeper meaning of how you understood when you translated it as hate or cruelty. All I can tell you is: Be wiser with your decisions in your future cause it's not me or everyone else will benefit but yourself....And speaking of your admitted IMPERFECTIONS? To be honest, is greater example how DISRESPECT means out from the 5th commandments. How could you put that in writting? Regardless of how your parents had become, HONOR THEM. Even if by all means it's true you despiced what they do, keep that aside. You are NOT doing any better yourself. if you have HATE from your own flesh and blood, how you expect me to believe you could even define any LOVE?


2) you said:"Love isnt the only thing to be involved in a relationship, but it is one of the iportant factors. What is important is to consider how the child will be raised up in life, and how it will be supported.">>>


Let me re-phrase that for you, Im not really sure how you measure LOVE over ATTRACTION, LUST or perhaps ILLUSSIONS and DELUSIONS in a relationship. However, you are doomed of finding everything about what those factors are through your growing youth and trust me! it would be late before you will................My advice? You can't define LOVE in marriage practically without supporting MONEY. I kid you not, that's the major factors of all divorces in the world today. It's not about broken promises, but more of unpreparedness and lack of abstinence. And when I say abstinence, is when good blessing allow your ability of RAISING without your lifestyle interfer your presence every step of the way defending your kid morally towards other kids. or other individual cause That's would be abnormal. don't you think? Since you are the ADULT of the situation. why you didn't forsee LOVE is rather SACRIFICE instead of EXPRESSIVE?



3) You said "Just because same-sex relationships are different from male-female relationships (duh), doesnt mean they are any more right or wrong than the other".



I don't know where you got this misconstrued ideas but having RIGHTS for each CHOOSEN other, doesn't refer same RIGHTS of completion involving an INNOCENT when you're planning to have a DECENT family.



4) Again you said: "I grew up without a father for a good part of my life and I seem to be doing alright. Hell, at the age of 3 (maybe 4) I was the man of the house until my mom met my step-dad. True, the child will probably have problems with friends and such, but isnt that true for EVERYBODY? I myself have ALWAYS had trouble with friends. Ive always been the one behind everybody else. But just because my biological parents were male-female does not make it 'normal' at all".



Boy you got a lot of issues, if only you grew up without building hate of your own father, perhaps you didn't need to justify how you seemingly alright. In this scenario, Your mother didn't do much any better herself raising your values either so, whose to say your mother is innocent with the regarding issues of your father? Don't you owe finding the whole truth now you will be 18 soon?....Whatever the result is: you will bound to know that's LIFE! and YESSSS THAT'S ABSOLUTE NORMAL!..You can't build HATE of the things out of your innocence.



5.) you said: "Children DONT have to grow up in a normal lifestyle to have a good life. In reality, a lot of successful people werent brought up as snobby little, only child, rich kids".



Don't reflect a BLAME How unfortunate you think you been when it's now your turn LIVING a LIFE of your own. The question is> How Will you avoid from repeating your own history? i am not questioning you, who will you choose to be in your behalf. if it's a WOMAN, you can absolutely multiply, but if it's ANOTHER GUY? Please just shop at PETSMART for all OUR goodness sake. feel-free to accesorized your pet with SAN-RIO or BARBIE DRESS and consider no fair share hearing again from me. Cause i don't give a damn!



BUT CONGRATULATING AN EXPANDING MONGOLOID FAMILY WILL NEVER BE OKAY...(.Listen to these and cough all you want ) ATLEAST, LEARN HOW'S FAMILY LIFE-LIKE ON LAND, BEING OUT FROM BERMUDA TRIANGLE WHERE THOMAS AND NANCY SHOULD HAVE REMAINED, WITH ALL WELCOMING SEA HORSES AND SEA WEEDS IS THE ONLY PLACE IDEAL FOR THEIR GODLESS PEACE.



Wow me when you understood LOVE involving children, but don't you dare simply by your enthusiasm.




sincerely,
LEO

Anonymous said...

I dont know why some people think that this is wrong. I think that its great that he wants to be a father. His first baby was soo cute.

Anonymous said...

All I know and feel about this other side behaviour is OKAY for 2 consenting adults, If it meant companionship and NOT MARRIAGE!...Think again, Love doesn't forbid you for anything you allow yourself into but locking it into form of MARRIAGE LICENSE do not qualify any reverse origin to why obtaining license is simply for loving couples of any kind. IT IS NOT!...Somebody must have to re-write history again cause anything goes for HOMOSEXUAL or LESBIANS today are nothing else but boredom and loneliness. if anyone intend happiness in their lives can only obtain by peace without you FIGHTING for it. But it is not enough for everyone, Someone must organize to create a scene. isn't it? Guess what? believe what you think it is, but I think the outcome of all this non-sense are nothing else but piling issues in the HOMOSEXUAL gene itself. So if everyone confirming this is indeed sickness no different than schizophrenia then, you all hearing VOICES, like the 6th sense seeing dead people. So can anyone stops you?

Anyhow to those few GAYS and LESBIANS individual who has BALANCE and PEDIGREE even higher than HETEROSEXUAL. I know, One can't be all alike! Love department isnt easy thing to decide, unfortunately it's the only way! I believe it's only rational that if in loving relationship whether that person is considered your mate, Either you do it with him or her, or You RAISE kids of your own without equating another partner. Cause that's OBSCENE for the innocent child. Be considerate and not yourself alone cause it's selfish, When you able to sacrifice and find your happiness, You will then found true love within, WHY YOU NEED TO FIGHT FOR IT? don't all get it?


leo

Anonymous said...

...:S
Isn't this sort of "Inhumane"?
I'm not really much of a Christian, but what will there Children think? It's against all Nature. People should stay as they are...

Anonymous said...

FOR ALL THE INTOLERANT, BIGOTED, SILLY AND ARROGANT PEOPLE WHO CANT EXEPT THE LIFE OF OTHER HUMAN BEEINGS, SHOULD LEAVE IN THE KZ, CASTRATED OR KILLED!!

Anonymous said...

OMG,You guys have NO right to judge this couple,you are just jealous because you are not able to do something like this to your loved ones as well as they aren't able to do to YOU, LEAVE THIS HAPPY COUPLE ALONE!!!

Anonymous said...

all of the above anonymous! YOU ALL SOUNDED LIKE BEING STRUNGLED..... NOT BY ANYONE, BUT BEING IN FRONT OF THE MIRROR. THIS IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THESE FEEDBACKS ARE NOT RESULTS OF BIGOTRY, ARROGANCE OR JEALOUSY. EVEN IF IT WERE? CONSIDERING WHERE ALL THESE ORIGINATED? WELL,IT'S NOT HARD TO FIGURE THAT EITHER, AND WHY IT SHOULD HURT WHEN FINGERS POINTING BACK WHERE IT BELONG?

SIMPLY LEARN TO SUCK IT IN, IF IT UPSETS YOU TO BLOW.OTHERWISE, DO NEITHER!..... FEEL-FREE!!!!HOWEVER, THIS IS NO GOOD ATMOSPHERE FOR ANY KIDS. WHENEVER THERE'S TIME AND PLACE OF ANYTHING MANKIND, IS TOLERABLE ONLY AS IF WE SEE OURSELVES PRACTICE OF THESAME LIFESTYLE. UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY THESE COUPLE IS INSANE TO THIS ISSUES..SO, HOW CAN ANYONE SAY IT'S OK, WHEN YOUR MOTIVES ARE DIFFERENT? JUST TO BE BEING NICE? IF YOU SAY SOMETHING NICE KNOWING DEEP INSIDE, YOU'RE BEGGING TO DIFFER, ISN'T THAT SAME AS LYING? WTF!!!!!

leo

Zach Williams said...

Its zach again. Ive been unable to get back on the comp lately because, well, I have a life. Im actually in the process of building my room in our basement.

(I also had typed a longer response a few days ago, but it looks like it didnt go through. I saved it to my flash drive. I will repost when i find it tomorrow.)

Now onto todays response.


"WHY YOU NEED TO FIGHT FOR IT"
well, lets say a foreign country is attacking your country. Wouldn't you want to fight to defend it? Or would you rather just sit there and ask them to stop while they are blowing you up?
Some people want the same freedom as everybody else, and they deserve it. thats why they fight for it.



"SO, HOW CAN ANYONE SAY IT'S OK, WHEN YOUR MOTIVES ARE DIFFERENT? JUST TO BE BEING NICE? IF YOU SAY SOMETHING NICE KNOWING DEEP INSIDE, YOU'RE BEGGING TO DIFFER"
So is everybody who isnt gay begging to differ about the topic. Every non-gay secretly wishes that all the gays would change their ways?
I dont think so. Im not gay, and i have friends who are, and their actually more fun to be with than a lot of my other friends.

Also, I still have these views EVEN THOUGH IM A CHRISTIAN!!! so you cant say that all christians have problems with gays either.


"HOWEVER, THIS IS NO GOOD ATMOSPHERE FOR ANY KIDS"
Well than, what is? A single mother working two full-time jobs while the kids are away at day-care or a babysitters? All because the father refused his family? (once again referring to myself and my sisters) At least these kids have a FATHER FIGURE to give them the love and attention that children need when they are young.


"UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY THESE COUPLE IS INSANE TO THIS ISSUE"
Unfortunately? Whys that? And how are they insane? Were your parents insane when they consieved you? I think they must have been. At least just as insane as this couple. Do you even know what it takes to be a good parent? I highly doubt it.


"THESE FEEDBACKS ARE NOT RESULTS OF BIGOTRY, ARROGANCE OR JEALOUSY. EVEN IF IT WERE? CONSIDERING WHERE ALL THESE ORIGINATED? WELL,IT'S NOT HARD TO FIGURE THAT EITHER, AND WHY IT SHOULD HURT WHEN FINGERS POINTING BACK WHERE IT BELONG?"

Actually I think alot of the responces have been of these 4 words. especially yours. all of your responses seem biased in one way or another AGAINST the couple. And where are the fingers pointing? I see fingers pointing at everybody. So lets ignore the fingers, because apparently EVERYBODY is wrong if we dont.

Oh, and also.
"All I know and feel about this other side behaviour is OKAY for 2 consenting adults, If it meant companionship and NOT MARRIAGE"

So you would rather them be together just because rather than be together legally? Besides the fact that you have the marriage liscense, whats the difference?

--Zach

Anonymous said...

Go back up and read again, I think you know very well when I said "THE NEED TO FIGHT FOR IT" is rather unecessary. U said "Some people want the same freedom as everybody else, and they deserve it. thats why they fight for it.> What freedom as everybody that Gays over STR8 don't have now? HOMOSEXUAL I believed are living normally. And wait a minute!!!! this thing bothers me >" FREEDOM" ...You all know You breath same air everybody does, You all widespread around the globe? what the hell is other special FREEDOM there is that reserved especially for HOMOSEXUAL? HOMOSEXUALS I know from work, family has everything...MONEY, DECENT JOBS, TALENT, RATHER OBSCURE LOOKS, SOME ARE GOOD, AND MOST ARE NOT, TO BE HONEST?

You also picked ""SO, HOW CAN ANYONE SAY IT'S OK, WHEN YOUR MOTIVES ARE DIFFERENT? JUST TO BE BEING NICE? IF YOU SAY SOMETHING NICE KNOWING DEEP INSIDE, YOU'RE BEGGING TO DIFFER" ( isn't thesame as lying?,you omitted) The way you answered, again nobody wishes any gay for anything. All Im saying was: Why say something nice over THIS COUPLE, If I don't mean any of it? isn't just as bad as lying to them and me if I do? ...... And ZACH! Tell me something about homosexuals that I don't know about? like i said earlier, their all widespread. Fun isn't my issue, Religion has nothing to do I felt this way against this couple. I just don't agree the obscenity of homosexuals conduct towards having around any child. It's not their love or capability of raising ever more than HETEROSEXUAL can give to their children... THOMAS did way way way further the damage of my tolerance. if this is the FREEDOM you're talking about? im sorry!.. the world isn't revolving around their means! or by any means!

which brings us back to this > "HOWEVER, THIS IS NO GOOD ATMOSPHERE FOR ANY KIDS"....The way you answered isn't a question of loving......Im sure anyone can, or can learn.....if some kids are abandoned, that doesn't mean HOMOSEXUAL is must for the RESCUE EITHER!!....We have all types of DONATION programs to tackle those responsibilities, Again, it isn't compulsary for everyone to donate but NOW we come to the important part> LOVE> Boy! I wished you and I have same eye on LOVE. It's more than giving, receiving without expecting anything in return. Oftentimes , I do let it go for a reason. Other than being around knowing consciencely a HOAX is HOAX NO MATTER HOW YOU PRONOUNCE THE WORD.

"UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY THESE COUPLE IS INSANE TO THIS ISSUE". Why? Unlike your answer, My parents are totally LEGIT of having us 6 and that's true blessing. We don't believe in DIVORCE cause why marry if you ain't sure and ready in the first place?... My parents didn't appear on national televisions for media principles, neither shook the world for our births....... We didn't have much growing UP!, reason being I see love mostly as STRUGGLE, ENDURANCE and not a LIFESTYLE.....A good Parent isn't measured by her responsibilities. You know damn well, anyone should practice ABSTINENCE if you are aware what comes next. There's no such thing as what it takes to be a good parent. Either you have it or you don't.

"THESE FEEDBACKS ARE NOT RESULTS OF BIGOTRY, ARROGANCE OR JEALOUSY. EVEN IF IT WERE? CONSIDERING WHERE ALL THESE ORIGINATED? WELL,IT'S NOT HARD TO FIGURE THAT EITHER, AND WHY IT SHOULD HURT WHEN FINGERS POINTING BACK WHERE IT BELONG?">>>>> True! my answer is biased on str8's points of view and it's against the couple towards thomas and nancy and not the entire HOMOSEXUAL kingdom. "There's no smoke, if there's no fire" they say right?


and with regards to two consenting homosexual adults living together? I bet as a christian, ONLY you can answer to that. The difference is: You may go to church like all other's are. May I remind you the analogy of LAST SUPPER in the presence of JUDAS?..When everyone didn't expect what it became his presence, that's the DIFFERENCE.


LEO

Anonymous said...

Zach, here's MY thing about adulthood on homosexuals. As I see them around wherever Im going... holding hands, kissing and hugging in public normally for around same years now im living. There's something MUTUAL in me, feeling of DISGUST I don't know why. Mainly I feel more embarrassed witnessing when some other kids made this scene a laughing venues for themeselves upon seeing 2 homosexuals normal behaviour in public. Like I said before, HETEROSEXUAL society do not have this AUTOMATIC adjustments for homosexuals. Most PEOPLE in favor of homos are just doing it OUT OF COURTESY.....Like I mentioned before, who can stop homosexual change their natural ways? NOBODY. however, I can say IM USED TO IT NOW, but as far as relationships moving forward into having kids and all? I would say " FUCK NO!!!!!............AND NO WAY WILL"



But I will not deny INDIVIDUAL or Single rights or homosexual by definition, to having kids whether by birth or by adoptions.( excluding THOMAS?) Listen carefully, If i were in homosexual shoe's desiring for a KID? i can only choose ONE....... a PARTNER or a KID to raise...... I don't think it's APPROPRIATE having both with all LOVE EXCUSES and all that bullshit...... I think it's ONLY FAIR to having One or nothing BOTH at all..... and like always!! what comes to your mind of wonders "WHY? >>>>>> I am not amainable with the idea of 2 same sex couple with kids involve around homosexual atmosphere........ kids will be kids, I don't want any ADULT taking advantage of any child's innocence from the MORAL of the 2 sex couple and with the KID's respect to their appointed parent, can't do nothing but rather bury these CONFUSION turn into HATE towards their KNOWN-PARENT growing-up...... Reason being, a lot of ADULT today lost respect from their parents and throw them in nursing homes in the end, cause of the things they didn't understand from their innocent past. I DON'T BLAME ANY OF THEM, BUT I THINK ONLY TIME WILL TELL WHEN IT'S LATE AND YOU DO THINGS NO ONE SHOULD, BUT DID IT ANYWAY RIGHT?.....These are the factors should everyone consider before raising. Know all these barriers.......... What's good for you as an adult may not and will not affect same statutes of a growing child. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LOVE, where by the way, today's generations, The definition of LOVE nowadays is based "OUT OF A GOOD SEX and ORGASM, feeling LACK of ATTENTION from their partners"..what kind of shit is that?????I don't see none of these STABILITIES fully in same sex relationship. One night, You will see better person and suddenly you lost track DAVID isn't what you really want when you met MATT. LOL.


leo

Zach Williams said...

What 'special' freedom?
You said this "True! my answer is biased on str8's points of view and it's against the couple towards thomas and nancy and not the entire HOMOSEXUAL kingdom."

Apparently Thomas and Nancy arent free to express their opinions about family raising. The only reason they went to the news was because THEY were TURNED AWAY because they were DIFFERENT! How is that the same as having the same freedom as everybody else? If they DID have the same freedom, they wouldnt have had to go see nine different doctors, they couldve just seen one.


Also, you said, "Why say something nice over THIS COUPLE, If I don't mean any of it? isn't just as bad as lying to them and me if I do?" ... "I just don't agree the obscenity of homosexuals conduct towards having around any child."
first off, havent you heard the saying "If you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say anything."? Secondly, whats so obscene about it? In Thomas and Nancy's situation, there is a mother figure AND a father figure, both of which are going to love AND TAKE CARE OF their children.


"if some kids are abandoned, that doesn't mean HOMOSEXUAL is must for the RESCUE EITHER!!....We have all types of DONATION programs to tackle those responsibilities"
Yes, kids will be abandoned, there are different types of 'rescue' available. Homosexuality ISNT a must, nor did I ever express that. However it IS an OPTION!. Also, all those types of "DONATION programs" ARENT a must EITHER!

"which brings us back to this > "HOWEVER, THIS IS NO GOOD ATMOSPHERE FOR ANY KIDS"....The way you answered isn't a question of loving"
Yes it is. A child NEEDS some form of parental love during the childhood development stages. Otherwise they will probably have a messed up life ahead of them. I was pointing out that Thomas and Nancys children will have BOTH parents to grow up with, whereas lots of other children grow up WITHOUT EITHER.


"Unlike your answer, My parents are totally LEGIT of having us 6 and that's true blessing."
Well, my biological parents are LEGIT of having me and my two sisters, and my stepdad and biological mother are LEGIT of having my two brothers. That of which is ALSO a true blessing. Child-bearing in itself is a true blessing!

"We don't believe in DIVORCE cause why marry if you ain't sure and ready in the first place?... My parents didn't appear on national televisions for media principles, neither shook the world for our births....... We didn't have much growing UP!"
You dont have to believe in divorce, but it still exists. why did my parents get married in the first place? well, they WERE sure and ready in the first place. My FATHER degressed after the fact. My parents ALSO didnt show up on national television. And i very well had less than you growing up!


"reason being I see love mostly as STRUGGLE, ENDURANCE and not a LIFESTYLE"
you know what, you ARE right about this. I HAVE expressed my feelings about what love is, and it encompasses this.

"A good Parent isn't measured by her responsibilities"
No, its not. A good parent is measured by HOW WELL he/she accomplishes her responsibilities.

"There's no such thing as what it takes to be a good parent. Either you have it or you don't."
Those sentences contradict each other by the way.
If theres 'no such thing as what it takes to be a good parent', then theres no way for you to 'have it'.

"I bet as a christian, ONLY you can answer to that."
ONLY I can answer that? I dont think so, as I DONT see any difference in it, save for the difference in genders.

"The difference is: You may go to church like all other's are"
How is that the difference? I may go to church like all others are, but wont that include homosexuals as well as heterosexuals?

"When everyone didn't expect what it became his presence"
Honestly it sounds like your poorly translating from chinese. It makes no sense.

-- Zach

Anonymous said...

YOU WROTE: >Apparently Thomas and Nancy arent free to express their opinions about family raising. The only reason they went to the news was because THEY were TURNED AWAY because they were DIFFERENT! How is that the same as having the same freedom as everybody else? If they DID have the same freedom, they wouldnt have had to go see nine different doctors, they couldve just seen one.


THAT'S A LIE! SHE WAS ALREADY 3-4 MONTHS PREGNANT WHEN THEY CAME OUT TO THE MEDIA. AND TO DATE ABOUT EXPRESSING AN OPINION ON RAISING KIDS IS QUITE LATE WHEN SHE CAME OUT HALFWAY PREGNANT, CONTRARY TO HOW YOU EXPLAINED ABOUT EXPRESSING AN OPINION. WHEN YOU SNEAKED AHEAD AND PRIVATELY INSEMINATED. DON'T YOU THINK, WE'RE A LITLE LATE FOR OPINION?......................... IF SHE' FELT THREATED DIFFERENTLY WAS HERSAY, HER OPINION BASED TO THAT MATTER WAS RATHER INCONCLUSIVE, UNDOCUMENTED AS IF THERE WAS A COMPLAINT FILED IN HER BEHALF BUT THERE WASN'T. WAS THERE? INSTEAD, SHE CAME OUT ON OPRAH SHOW. ALL I KNOW ABOUT SITUATION ESPECIALLY ON HER CASE RESULTED NOT IN HER FAVOR. IT MAY OR MAY NOT APPROPRIATE RESPONSE SHE RECEIVES FROM THE DOCTORS. HOWEVER NOT ENOUGH REASON CONCLUDING ALL THAT "LACK OF FREEDOM" ISSUE?. AS SHE'S FREED HERSELF TAKING AND SPREADING HER OWN STORY WORLDWIDE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, DOCTORS RESTRICT THEMESELVES, HIGHLY ON THEIR "ETHICS". WHICH I CAN ACCEPT THAT FORMALLY. IT'S NOT IN THEIR NORMAL PRACTICE TAKING SOME LEFT OVER EXPERIMENTS DONE ORIGINALLY BY WHOSOEVER ADMINISTERED HER PREGNANCY. DO THE DOCTORS AWARE CASES LIKE SHE PRESENTED? DONT YOU THINK, IT'S A LITLE WEIRD WHEN THEY SEE INCOMING PATIENTS LIKE THOMAS WALKING-IN. THINKING...THEY SEE A MAN WITH RATHER WORMS, OR OBESITY PROBLEM OTHER THAN BEING PREGNANT? HOW CAN ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL PASS THE CHALLENGE THEY HAVE YET TO FIND OUT?..OF COURSE, I CAN'T FULLY RESPECT THAT, BUT AS A HUMAN WITH A DEGREE, I WOULDN'T TAKE NO CHANCE EITHER. IF WERE ONE OF THE DOCTOR, I WOULD SUGGEST TO GO CONTINUE SEEING HER DOCTOR WHO PROCEEDED HER WISHES INSTEAD.


FROM UR 2nd PARAGRAPH:> u answered: first off, havent you heard the saying "If you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say anything."? Secondly, whats so obscene about it? In Thomas and Nancy's situation, there is a mother figure AND a father figure, both of which are going to love AND TAKE CARE OF their children.

(Lets get this straight!) FROM THE SAYING ITSELF. here's my thing "SAYING IT DIRECT IN PERSON, AND READING IT THROUGH MY WRITTING IS QUITE NOT SAME AS SAYING. AS IF YOU HEARD MY VOICE SAYING IT TO YOU..(it's not thesame ok) I LEARNED HONESTY WORKS BEST ON PEOPLE READING, THRU THEIR WRITTING CAUSE IT'S FROM THEIR INNER THOUGHTS, PREVENTED THEM FROM SAYING, DURING FACE TO FACE CONVERSATION...DON'T YOU AGREE?
ANYHOW, WHAT'S SO OBSCENE ABOUT IT?> I HATE KEEP REPEATING MYSELF... I CAN TOLERATE 2 SAME SEX TOGETHER.. ALONE!!!!! BUT WHEN THERE'S KIDS AROUND IN THE VIEW, SEEING AND WITNESSING OR LET'S SAY THE INTIMATE MOMENT OF THE 2 PARTNERS. IS NOT QUITE TOLERABLE IN THEIR MINDS SEEING THINGS LIKE THESE. ESPECIALLY, WHEN THEY START ASKING QUESTIONS ON HOMOS NATURAL OBSCENE CONDUCT. WILL YOU RISK THAT TRYING? WHAT IF THEY DON'T FEEL THE SAME, BUT WILL TRY DOING CAUSE DADDY AND DADDY DO IT TOO. KNOW WHAT IM SAYING?

I WROTE: > "The way you answered isn't a question of loving" .>>>YOU REPLIED: "Yes it is. A child NEEDS some form of parental love during the childhood development stages. Otherwise they will probably have a messed up life ahead of them. I was pointing out that Thomas and Nancys children will have BOTH parents to grow up with, whereas lots of other children grow up WITHOUT EITHER.

EXCUSE ME~! A CHILD NEEDS A PARENTAL LOVE FROM QUALIFYING PARENTS. (MOTHER woman & FATHER man ) OTHERWISE ( UNKNOWINGLY YOU STATE THE BEST OF ALL) THEY WILL HAVE A MESSED UP LIFE BY THE WRONG EXAMPLE..... WHAT UR POINTING OUT ABOUT THOM AND NANCY AS BOTH PARENTS, IS IDEAL IN ASPECT OF "TOLERANCE", CONVENIENT RESCUE WORD FOR ADULT......... KIDS DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUES!......... AND WHY WOULD WE JUSTIFY THIS BAD EXAMPLE AGAINST TO THOSE WITHOUT? . WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO PREVENT THIS BAD EXAMPLE AND NOT TO AFFILIATE ANOTHER ISSUE BUT SIMILAR FROM THE OTHER?.

I WROTE: A GOOD PARENT ISN'T MEASURED BY HER RESPONSIBILITIES NOR WILL THEY EVER ACCOMPLISHED IT. KNOW WHY? CAUSE THEIR SUCCESS OF PARENTING WILL ULTIMATELY SUM UP DOWN TO THEIR CHILDRENS AS THE CYCLE CONTINUES. REASON BEING I REPLIED "EITHER YOU HAVE IT, OR YOU DON'T"...... DON'T U THINK, THOMAS WEN'T THE OTHER WAY AROUND OF THIS CYCLE? WHY SHOULD WE CHALLENGED OURSELVES IN THIS VENUE USING CHILDREN TO OUR OWN ADVANTAGE?.... THE PROBLEM IS: KIDS TODAY ARE WAY FAR DIFFERENT THAN THE OLD DAYS. THEY GROW UP HATING THEIR PARENTS MUTUALLY, DUE TO THINGS! THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG. CAUSE DADDY AND MOMMY ARE NOW OUT OF THEIR SIGHT FOR ECONOMIC REASONS. IF KIDS OF TODAYS GENERATION MIXED OUT IN PUBLIC BY THOMAS BREEDING? IMAGINE THE WARZONE!!!!!DO ANYONE HAS FORMULA TO STOP THAT? ARE YOU AWARE OF OTHER FORUMS REACTIONS REGARDING THOM AND NANCY SITUATIONS AS OF NOW? TRY YOU TUBE!

THE LAST 3 PARAGRAPHS I WROTE AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING, I NOW REFUSED TO DISCUSS ANY FURTHER. THIS ONLY PROVES THAT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE ARE RATHER PARABLES. IF NOT! OBSCURE TO INDIVIDUAL WE ALL YET TO FIND OUT WHAT IT REALLY MEANS...................BUT THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDE ME MORE THAN I CAN SAY, THIS THOMAS SCENARIO IS AN ACT OF FREEWILL UNDERGOING LABORATORY TEST FROM THE PUBLIC POINTS OF VIEW. NO ONE CAN SAY IT'S OK NEITHER SAFE. BUT WHOSOEVER WILL TAKE RISK IS UPON YOU, I CAN ONLY ASSURE YOU. I WON'T FOLLOW.
LEO

Anonymous said...

ok so anonymous guy who posted on -4/17/2008 08:16:00 PM- umm....i love you and everyone who shares your views. Now hopping of the proverbial penis, i would like to congratulate Mr. Beatie on a healthy baby girl and also herald his courage in taking another giant leap into mankind's limitless and vastly unexplored possibilities. I also wish you the best in this perilous journey you have embarked on. Seeing as most most people aren't prepared to accept your situation i would suggest moving somewhere no one knows who you are so you can give your daughter a chance at a normal life. I would love to read her book one day.

Davon Montgomery said...

WOW you had a baby good luck to you and your kid

Davon Montgomery said...

Good luck to you and your kid

Anonymous said...

Two human beings deciding to raise a child. Congrats. That's all that needs to be known. I, nor any of you, have any room to judge these people.

And for all of the people who don't have anything but negative things to say, just keep your comments to your self. You have a right to your opinions, but you're just creating more hatred in an already hateful society. So it helps no one. You don't have to express your hatred to everyone.

Either way, the baby is already born. So, did your hateful comments have any effect on the well being of this family? I guess not. Life really is to short to hate, but to hate simply because you don't agree with something is the cause for all of the atrocities committed, for example The Holocaust.

Love is the way of our Lord. We should all follow this, especially the people that preach they're Christians, but fail to act as such.

Again, congrats to the family, and good luck.

Anonymous said...

I'm gonna go cut my penis off and get breast implants -- maybe grow my hair out a bit and throw on some make-up. I'll then tell everyone that I am now I'm a woman. If they don't believe me, they're backward hicks!

Once these folks accept my mentally unstable actions, I'll impregnate a woman: "Two lesbians magically have baby!" Then I'll be famous hero too (I certainly won't be a psychopathic fucked up human being).

Anonymous said...

I'm gonna go cut my penis off and get breast implants -- maybe grow my hair out a bit and throw on some make-up. I'll then tell everyone that I am now I'm a woman. If they don't believe me, they're backward hicks!> IF YOU DO SO, WHATEVER PERSPECTIVE YOU THINK OF YOURSELF AFTER IS NOTHING ELSE BUT A TRANSEXUAL. BUT CONVINCING EVERYONE YOU SHOULD BE CALL A WOMAN DON'T MAKE US A BACKWARD HICKS, BUT YOU'RE SELF-ABSURDNESS IS WELL IN FACT CONFIRMING HOW ILL MENTALLY YOUR STATE BEING IF THIS IS ALL RESORT YOUR ACTION BY DOING. YOU'RE THROWING BLAMES TO THOSE WHO DON'T SHARE SAME WITH YOUR INSANE VALUES. WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING IS: SHOULD US ALL BE BIGGER PERSON OF THESE ISSUES, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMON SENSE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD HOWEVER, I COULD UNDERSTAND THIS BEHAVIOUR IN EXTREMES YOU WILL DO ANYTHING TO LOOK LIKE ONE.... BUT PLSSSSS , PLSSSSS.! STAY AWAY FROM KIDS.

Once these folks accept my mentally unstable actions, I'll impregnate a woman:> SO WILL CUT THE PENIS, WITH REMAINING BALLS? WELL YOU CAN DO THAT TOO! YOU SEE, DO ALL YOUR IMAGINATION COMES TO YOUR SICK MIND, JUST DON'T MAKE DECISIONS ENTIRELY OK UNTRADITIONALLY FOR OTHER HUMANS.


"Two lesbians magically have baby!" > VIRGIN MARY WAS NOT LESBIAN, AND LESBIANS AND MAGICAL DO NOT FIT IN A SENTENCE OKAY AS ONE.


Then I'll be famous hero too (I certainly won't be a psychopathic fucked up human being).> WITH NO FURTHER JUSTIFICATION, CERTAINLY YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH! NO DOUBT!


leo

Anonymous said...

Hello! This is a lesbian, not a man. So she shaves! This is NOT a man so what's the big deal. Are people really that blind???

Anonymous said...

There's no big deal! People can't see are blind, People that aren't or blind can shave. What's your point? A lesbian is a lesbian with a lesbian don't have nature to re-produce. NO KIDS deserve living or being around a disgraceful conduct unless she or he can make his own choices. Be grateful of what you are and who you are trying to become. but know your LIMITS and not abuse your FREEDOM, thinking LOVE is an OK permissible everyone in this manner.

LEO

Anonymous said...

okay now i know how people are not suprised though the only suprising thing is that humaninty still stands
and i see what will take over rasism wonce that gets old hatred against this stuff allways gona hate someone are we allways the stuff we dont understand huh? know i understand why humans came up whit the word evil only we can bring up such an idea since we created it. leave it alone boys and girls whit the wrong stuff down there is natural to happens from time to time even being homo or bio sexual is natural happens in nature to do some research and youll see.

Anonymous said...

I don't see what the bid deal is about this story.
If it were a BIOLOGICAL MALE that was pregnant, THAT would be a story.
but he used to be a woman. Women can get pregnant. No big deal.

Anonymous said...

It's all about RESPECT!... hey! don't get twisted here now!!! When i say respect, is respect for all others out there generally men and women, especially CHILDREN! If none of you can grasp the concept OTHER THAN biological rights, then LESBIANS do make a choice NOT to alter your image and then demand RESPECT when it's LATE!!!....Most importantly, DO NOT DISRESPECT the unborn CHILD. Teach all kids starting from ABC to Z, NOT from ADULT stuffs they HAVE NO BUSINESS KNOWING!!!!IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!........

I am saying these solely for AWARENESS and PREVENTION purposes. People needs to consider and FOCUS all aspect as to why RACISM continues due to radical decisions SOME are trying to enforce themselves believing IT'S OK! when the MAJORITY UNCLEAR! IT IS NOT QUESTION WHETHER YOU SEES US MAKING A "BIG DEAL" OUT OF OUR CLEAR OBJECTIVES. TILL YOU RECOGNIZE THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE THEN EVERYONES PREGNANCY IS SACRED. CAN YOU BEGIN TO SHOW ME WHERE THOMAS FITS TO ALL OF THESE? HA-HAHAH- HAHAHA-HAHAHAHAH

shame on some NAIVE you!!!

LEO

Anonymous said...

Total Bullsh**! I don't understand why she removed her breast and kept vagina? If she wanted to be a mother/woman then what's the point of all these transforming efforts? Poor babies who are born to them.

Anonymous said...

this story is so touchy...its just that people cant accept the fact that he is JUST A GIRL WHO WANTED TO SPEND A LIFE WITH HER OWN FAMILY...WITH A WIFE, A LOVE, A BABY AND SOMEONE WHO CAN UNDERSTAND HER.......WE SHOULD JUST UNDERSTAND THAT HUMAN LOVE REALLY HAS NO LIMITATIONS....WHAT THE FUCK HE DID THIS FOR HIS WIFE BECAUSE OF THE LOVE THEY HAVE!!!! SO SHUT UP PEOPLE WE CAN NOT CHANGE THE WAY THEY ARE....THE BABY IS ALREADY THERE SO SHUT UP!!

Anonymous said...

Well, most lesbians I know (menwannabees) in my entire life are fucked-up to begin with. This only proves how miserable their nature being among all sexes, OUT OF ORDINARY, OUT OF ORDER, unsatisfied in their life being, and still Ungrateful with their wishes. I bet lesbians don't even recognize what true blessing means except having to afford what money can proves an ILLUSIONS succeeded,only to attract other FEMALES.

Regretfully, My aunt is a lesbian as well and if money is all matters to describe them is just the reason to call them as human. Other than that! Their so-called passion is nothing else but a show off.

leo

Anonymous said...

A story is touchy from a lesbo touchy-touchy view coming from a flock. A good family don't require understanding, we motivated by love thru sacrifice, we dream life with no limitations and hesitations but that doesn't include immoral or otherwise. Nobody suggested her to change, She made a POOR CHOICE!

leo

Anonymous said...

okayy. so the guy is pregnat. that is just weird. i wonder how they are going to tell the girl when she gets older who was actually carring her in their stomach. if i was the girl i would be pretty embarrased especially if kids at her school found out and they started making fun of her. wow. that is just cruel. people need to think before they start doing stupid things like this :)

Anonymous said...

These surguries should be illegal. The woman was born a woman, not a man. she still has a vagina there for she should legaly stil be a woman. and she should not have a kid if she thinks she is a man... epic fail...lol...TEXTING RULES...

Anonymous said...

If they want a baby, why should they not have a baby ?
It's really nice that they got what they wanted, even tough many people was against it, why they were against it, I don't know ! GOOD FOR THEM, POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
and alla of you narrow-minded people, you suck !

Anonymous said...

if you are born with a uterus then you are a woman regardless what you do to your body after nature has taken its course. i am a gay woman and even though i am part of the gay community i still say that this so called "man" is a woman by birth and it is ridiculous to even say that she is the first man to give birth. you may sit here and say that people are saying horrible things about this couple but they're not, they are just trying to make a point that this transexual is not by any means a man but a woman and she is in no way the first man to give birth, she is still a woman. get your uterus taken out and get a penis and then try to get pregnant and then if you do succeed at that then i will apologize but untill then stop saying your the first man to give birth b/c thats blasphemy.

Anonymous said...

This is disturbing and simply wrong!

Anonymous said...

hey come on guys, no body will agree on this issue... keep your opinions to yourself and no one will be angry. therefore were not feeling like were being forced to believe the other sides opinion. and what does it matter if he/she is a guy or a girl. the couple just wanted a child and thats the way they decided to get it.

Zach Williams said...

Hey leo, im back

its zach. I havent been on the computer since my last post.

I have a few more things to discuss.

first off, in response to your post (posted on 1/01/2009 07:20:00 PM), you responded to a SARCASTIC posting. it needed NO response because it was a JOKE.

second, stop using your caps lock. you should break it off your key board and burn it.

third, you keep mentioning rascism. you seem to have a thing against tom and nancy. they are both white. so are you rascist against white people? also, you seem to me that your very sexist.

Dil said...

Oh, come on. A flat-chested chick with a scruffy beard got pregnant. It's not the first time.

That's why there's an age limit for buying Tequila.

Anonymous said...

OMFG FIRST I HAVE TO SAY LMFAO AT THIS DIL GUY THAT'S HILARIOUS!
Secondly, I think that the people who did this shoulnd't have made this public. I don't think the pregnancy stuff was a wrong choice or anything. Like, I'm kinda homophobic to be honest, I mean I'm not against people being gay but I'm strongly against seeing it, it disgusts me to be honest. So I can see this from both sides. But come on people, you guys need to calm the fuck down, it's not like they're killing someone, they're bringing someone to life actually and if it's a little differently than normal, who cares. Just they shouldn't try and get attention like this. They should keep it as quiet as they can. Their kid will get beat up every single day of it's life, and I feel bad for it for her for this reason and this reason alone. In other ways I think it will be one of the luckiest kids because it will have parents who will be accepting in ways most aren't and their kids will grow up in a loving home...

Anonymous said...

One of the most disgusting things i've ever seen...

Anonymous said...

Zack Williams!

1st:>Sarcastic, joke or not. These commonitions are created by the person above. Your freak IDOL:> THOMAS BEATTY.

Second, I can write any way i want to referring your responses. In fact, TRUE! I had burnt few keyboards not because by using CAPITAL, But it's because I simply love wireless and will continue to patronize new technology. burnt or not. LOL!

and 3rd:> do you really want me to go there? In fact, If it werent your term "white" had triggered the true meaning of the word for decades. It was re-covered although not fully. But then again, Thomas made it a rebound example to why RACISM again comes alive. Atleast that's your view right? don't imply your word being as if seems it's ME> the racist. let's make this clear ok? You're damn right Im sexist. I can't wear men's garments today and next day would try mini skirt. I just don't have enough room in my closet. LOL


LEO

Anonymous said...

IF ANYBODY SHALL RELEASE FURTHER NEGATIVITY FROM THEIR BRAINS AND ONTO THIS BLOG, I SHALL REPORT THEM AS "ABUSIVE AND FOUL LANGUAGE" TO THE SITE MANAGER AND TERMINATE YOUR RIGHTS TO COMMENT FURTHER!

Anonymous said...

Yes, please use more civil words!

Andy said...

that is so cool

Anonymous said...

after reading the article.. all i can say is "that was so un'ordinary".. at first i was really shocked.. but then i was touched by the story that they had.. it was so cool that a woman did all the things that she can do just to show her love.. all of the things she did isn't ordinary.. his love was so un'imaginable. but then I idolize this man.. that was cool.. I can't find the right words to say.. so i wish them good luck.!

dawn said...

nothing wrong with it whatsoever.
i am disgusted that there are so many close-minded doctors out there! thats pathetic. they need to do their job, which is scientific, not preaching that they think it's wrong, that just juvenile. congrats on such a beautiful baby to them!

oh and vegan, your awesome! and the person you were arguing with is pathetic, even so that they hide behind an 'anonymous' , *sigh*

denonjapan said...

DAWN! we ain't discussing it with colors if this is sane....... Just like ur desire to be in fashionworld. U maybe tall and slim but got to admit, there are better out there. don't u think? if u didn't make to the entrance of modeling is because we didn't think ur trying hard pathetic looser, but simply fate on modeling requires an IT factor without trying.

you don't kiss ass on somebody's who's ungrateful atheist cause that's where PATHETIC really fits.

denonjapan said...

and yes! i am that anonymous ur referring where my soul was and still stands. and i ain't changing my moral values just because u choose to kissass.

LEO

Anonymous said...

It's so sad that you mean people out there would actually make such a big deal about this. That is just plain meeeeaaaannn. You people have no right to sh8t or gossip about this, especially the media. It's the 21st century you idiots. Everything is changing and we're being much more technological. Look what progress we made since our we were cavemen man. Just look at us. Not really a big surprise people. Wake up, get used to it, and yeah, stop judging.

Anonymous said...

It's really amusing how people are telling one another not to judge anyone whilst they leave remarks such as "close-minded". My opinion (- like it matters to some... -_-) is that people are supposed to lead THEIR OWN lives but the conception of children requires responsibility. Well here's one for you, would the child call the one who gave birth daddy or mummy? Please start tearing each other to shreds on that one, you have no idea how amusing you are.

denonjapan said...

The real question is: how can anyone TOLERATE this behaviour? it's bad enough, HOMOSEXUALS are cursed to the society, marching and rallying their legality of marriage without sanctity like what u called IDIOTS. Cause i see that word confirmed by their actions all the time. Since u generalize the 21st century as changed and all that doesn't mean to allow us anything possible even if risking our lives. Progress is something to do good and not the uncertain. However, U can do that too and who's stopping u?. But there's always a consequence when u do, it's not the People that around u are mean. if they're SHOCK, THEY'RE SHOCKED! IF THEY FELT DISRESPECTED, THEY'RE DISRESPECTED. How can u whine over that and u still GOT A NERVE to complain the insensivity that u have done?...if u want us to stop judging, then quit being RADICAL. No one has room for this shit and we have other PRIORITIES. it's not good and it's not healthy, homosexuals will make sure this never happen again. ONE INCIDENT IS TOO MUCH. that's all the lessons u stick to ur mind the next time u befriended with a surgeon.

leo

Anonymous said...

A woman has a uterus, a man does not. It's pretty simple. That's the pretty much the difference between a man and a woman on the inside.

All in all i don't give a damn that this person decided to cut off their breasts, live as a man, and then also get pregnant -- that's his/her business, whatever, and the wife.

Good luck to them and the baby.

denonjapan said...

lol, it does sound pretty simple but we cant help saying "GOODLUCK". WHY IS THAT?...why we kept holding the endanger of the innocent that we caused? oh yeah it's pretty simple but goodluck anyway! WTF!

Normal individual with kids, rich or poor we often say "CONGRATULATIONS" with a new born. Abused or not.Cause, we know damn-well there's no right or wrong coming from truly blessings against unnatural, experimented-doctored-prenancy. i understand that children requires responsibility but why let ur Conscience have u to defend ur kid against all others MAINLY by your personal decisions? is it LOVE or being SELFISH?.....OH well...NEITHER!......IF THESE ARE ALL OK, Please tell me, WHY ARE WE HERE?

leo

Anonymous said...

THIS IS SICK AND DISGUSTING. You are born WHAT you are for a reason. I have no problem with gays and lesbiens as i have friends who are both, BUT, this is plain sick changing your gender and quite bizarre, homosexuals should NEVER be allowed kids, it will make them be raisex VERY oddly believeing this is a normal way for two dads or two mums, this is not. Its fine if you wanna have a relationship, but do NOT bring kids into it.

Anonymous said...

Why don't people believe homosexuality is the perversion it is? Are we someday going to believe that having sex with animals, children, or having 10 wives is completely harmless? The list goes on and on. There are already those in our society that will vehemently defend their right to those very perversions in the above list. What reason do you give the pervert as to why he can't practice those things? Please if someone can answer, feel free.

Lastly, as a Christian you have the right to distinguish what is right and wrong, what is of God and what is not. There's no harm in pointing out the sins of another so you and others don't fall into them yourself. Identifying a sin is not judging. Judgement comes with a punishment. When you are judged in court you are swiftly given a punishment. What punishment is being dealt out by the person pointing out evil? Pointing out a fault in someone does not necessarily come with any punishment, especially since the person with the fault is supposed to be completely okay with their actions and confident in the "correctness" of their actions.

Anonymous said...

This site screens comments and only posts opposing views by people that cannot make a logical argument. People that have something intelligent to say against this behavior are blocked with pop ups from hell.

OUT.....

Mikes said...

what?!?!?!?! This is amazing anf unbelievable. i have heard about this before but really this is the first time i saw the baby. whew!

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Anonymous said...

Man I feel bad for the kid, gonna get beat up everyday :S

Anonymous said...

If he/she wants a baby let them!, There not doing anything wrong, All there doing is loving and caring for there child,

Anonymous said...

He/She is a Filipino, but i'm not sure if i'm proud of him/her

Sam said...

Excellent! Wishing them best of luck.
And f**k those non-scientific ppl who are trying to make their life mess!!
I m really proud of them.
Good Luck!

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